Is you mate a high school graduate who walks in and they say to him plug it in here mate and go for your life?
It’s easy to make assumptions on what they might do.
Take a quick look at what they have worked on and how. Most if not all software businesses would kill for the type of talent Musk has recruited.
What they have said on air traffic control is the systems have been down a lot.
A lot of downtime in critical systems related to air control isn’t acceptable.
And it’s routine to have engineers look at that and fix it.
That what you call dealing with non functional requirements. You don’t need to be an expert in air traffic control to remedy it.
They are aged between 19 and 23 and are high school graduates or college dropouts. Check them out. They have done nothing and have no expertise or qualification in these systems. If there are genuine issues with the systems, then get suitable experts to assess and recommend the fixes. Don’t let cowboys tinker around freely, people will die.
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Possibly missing the forest for the trees here. I’m sure these kids are very good at certain things, the fact is they’ve been given extraordinary access to systems and private information of citizens by a person who is both unelected and unqualified to be doing any of these things and has eliminated thousands of people from jobs that keep those systems and information processes rolling, among other things vital to the nation’s operations. It’s already causing major problems there and internationally.
There’s a line being run that America was some kind of basket case prior to Elon’s wrecking crew. It fits nicely with Trump’s campaign since 2016 trashing the place. It’s a lie. Anything can be improved but not everything at once, and not with a machete.
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They are between the ages of 19 and 25.
Of what these guys have done or where they have been working.
One from top data and ai firm already in a mill a year.
Another won a 700k prize for decoding a scroll from Pompeii. Another founded a startup out of Harvard. Whilst others have worked already with musk at SpaceX.
Not that it would be a bad thing but none have worked at Twitter.
These aren’t regular computer programmers.
The way musk jumps up and down many think him and anyone working for him are cowboys.
NASA have been sending people up to space in rockets from spaceX.
The thing Handypoint fails to understand is there is not one corporation in the world that would let these DOGE gamers come in and have unfettered access to their systems.
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Was Elon coming in to fix the air traffic control issue beforehand, or was it just when there was one highly publicised crash?
It all sounds very reactionary
I think you’re jumping to pretty unreasonable conclusions - that’s all.
Based on where these “kids” have all studied, where they have worked and what they have worked on/field of expertise.
The talent is not the problem.
What you’re worrying about yeah sure could apply anywhere. But I think a lot of the accusations are baseless.
There was a lot(and I mean huge) amounts of false reports on treasury payments access.
The US Treasury came out and clarified.
Now don’t hold your breath for the thousands of news outlets misreporting to actually correct themselves.
I think a lot of people have muddied perceptions. It’s not surprising given the political situation and how partisan it is.
I’d be questioning the motives sometimes but I wouldn’t jump to conclusions on the method.
Spacex and other Musk companies go and get the best engineering graduates from the universities. These gamers are not those, he dragged them out of their mothers’ basements and let them loose on America. It is going to end in disaster, what do they know about system security, the privacy protection of the data, failover, redunduncy , testing procedures and a million other things I could name. The pretense that they are fixing reliability problems is an absolute joke, Musk just wants the data and who knows what he will do with it.
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There is no good reason for them to be anywhere those systems, that is what you don’t understand.
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Thiel Scholarships, pro Hegseth and Gaetz pieces, Neuralink interns. It’s a little like a Neal Stephenson novel that he wisely decided to trash early in.
You mean other than air traffic control systems actually being down?
Without any information about what’s taking place.
Heres an insight into where America are at.
Everyone knows the systems are outdated, a few gamers aint fixing it, and that is not even why they are there. I assume he has recruited these basement juveniles is because any highly qualified, highly experienced and skill techo’s would quit and find a real job.
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The press after the identity of the people working there have been doxxed to try to discredit them.
Which is predictable.
Attack someone’s politics but not their ability. Its just ■■■■ weak.
I’d be more concerned about what Trump and Musk want to do over how they are doing it.
Eg perhaps they instigate robodebt on steroids (we know how that went)
Or they politicise every facet of payments.
I don’t think attacking the credibility of talented computer scientists just because they are young is warranted.
There’s large IT teams across all these pre existing systems. It’s not like they would be unmanaged.
It sounds like in some instances poorly or due to a lack of funding.
In Australia there is a distinct misunderstanding between IT and software engineering. They are two different disciplines.
It’s a Wired article that details their achievements. None of which qualify them for what they are doing, which is beside the point as they were not employed by a government elected by the people. I don’t care if they clocked Elden Ring on the highest difficulty, they shouldn’t be within a Cheeto fart of any of this stuff.
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FFS, they are not even college graduates, there resumes would not get them an interview in a major corporation.
I was about to say, most people only complete their Engineering degree at the age of 23/24.
To call them engineers is a complete fraud.
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One of them is a Harvard alumni who’s started his own business.
Another is senior engineer at a data company with a 28 billion dollar valuation.
I mean sure I’ve never met them. I don’t think I’d be qualified to hire them - but I think the person who has is.
It’s attacking the man and it’s pretty poor journalism imho. Because it’s Trump/Musk. Not because of the calibre of person working.
And there’s massive assumptions about the access being given and what they are doing.
I’d say a shitload of misinformation being spread by people who are worried about losing their jobs. Which is probably understandable.
Getting a distinct sense that you didn’t read the article. Again, it lists their achievements. It also tells the other side of the story which is concern about lack of experience, unfamiliarity with pertinent law and regulation, and possibly, very probably, operating according to their leader’s directives which are not necessarily in the interests of national safety or advancement - he is also not an elected person. Believe what you will, none of us know what’s going on and neither does the government which is the farking point. Take in the bigger picture.
" Sources tell WIRED that Bobba, Coristine, Farritor, and Shaotran all currently have working GSA emails and A-suite level clearance at the GSA, which means that they work out of the agency’s top floor and have access to all physical spaces and IT systems, according a source with knowledge of the GSA’s clearance protocols. The source, who spoke to WIRED on the condition of anonymity because they fear retaliation, says they worry that the new teams could bypass the regular security clearance protocols to access the agency’s sensitive compartmented information facility, as the Trump administration has already granted temporary security clearances to unvetted people.
This is in addition to Coristine and Bobba being listed as “experts” working at OPM. Bednar says that while staff can be loaned out between agencies for special projects or to work on issues that might cross agency lines, it’s not exactly common practice.
“This is consistent with the pattern of a lot of tech executives who have taken certain roles of the administration,” says Bednar. “This raises concerns about regulatory capture and whether these individuals may have preferences that don’t serve the American public or the federal government.”
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Musk achieved this 7 years ago today. Falcon Heavy Starman test flight.
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