Fair.
Edit: Having said that, I’m not a ‘supporter.’ That would be weird…
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Except that does not make him Left, and he is a very conservative bloke. I have spent enough time with him to know, and his Mates are a bunch of the wealthy and elite.
That said, he is still the best Premier in the Nation and the best Victoria Premier in my lifetime and probably the best ever.
He is progressive and get things done, all is not perfect but it is very good. Truth is that after 10 years in the job, he needs to pass the baton.
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You’ve all allowed Bacchus fox to detail this thread when it should be about getting rid of the pokies. For shame.
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If you tell me he’s horrible, but everyone else is horribler, I can live with that. I think they’re all horrible, and I’m less concerned with which one is the worst.
LOL
Think I will spend hours at Melton Club tomorrow enjoying the entertainment.
Nope I didn’t say Dan was horrible. He is a great Premier, and better than the rest by a long way.
If Bomber Management had his determination to win, then nothing would stop us.
Are you saying it’s just your view or the view of his most ardent supporters?
From a NSW perspective, the home of the pokie.
Id be happy if they just banned them from pubs.
Pokies can be a registered club/sports club thing.
In pubs they inflict more social damage. Supplanting live music and socialising.
Clubs have the space to have proper pokies rooms and their patrons arent the live music types.
Yes gambling causes social damage. But so do a bunch of things.
Regulation and taxation always outweighs banning things.
Doesn’t matter where the pokies are, problem gamblers will have problems.
Crown Casino has the most pokies but the strictest rules and the best support systems. Places like Melton Club are not that far behind. My experience is that RSLs and Pubs are hopeless and police nothing.
I am torn by the whole issue, as I enjoy the Pokies and control what I spend. Obviously overall I lose, but the cost is my entertainment value.
Facts are the Bombers need the money. I would actually sell the 190 machines and licences before the politically correct ensure the price collapses. They could get maybe $100 million for the machines and licences, and wisely invested in industrial property could give $5 million a year plus capital gains.
Its a personal choice. Noone is putting a gun to your head.
Its just they are a lousy income stream in that they crowd out more social income streams.
Eg the live bands, pool tables, quiz nights, proper bistros etc.
I dont mind a pub having a sportstab to lay the odd bet on a game. At least that can be a social experience.
Reality is Mr Point, that many people who have a gambling addiction, do lose everything on the horses or dogs.
And social experience is an individual choice. Some do get excited by pokies, but know when to fold them.
The only people I know gathering around poker machines for a chat are people rinsing money.
Mostly otherwise it’s people staring blindly at a screen punching buttons enjoying the bells whistles and sequences coming up.
I am not anti pokie, im broadly libertarian but i just think they have a time and place.
Inside a large club like an rsl or sporting club…sure why not.
Inside the suburban pub? No. I would like to see a pub revival. Pokies undoubtably have killed the local pub.
Up here it was bob carr that let the bloody things in. Literally was the day that pub rock died in Sydney.
why do we get rid of revenue raisers without an alternative ? Start looking at realities.
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Drink driving laws killed the pub music scene in Melbourne. In the larger beer barns, pokies became the replacement, but the music was dead or dying before. Many places that were great live music venue nearly every night, never got pokies but stopped the music because the patrons stopped coming.
Do my best work at 5 am ?
Just got home from the pokies !
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Rubbish its called walking or an uber.
Pokies are easy money for a venue.
Pubs now cost many millions of dollars here in NSW simply because they are glorified casinos.
They can be more humble businesses you know.
That “revenue” can be spent elsewhere.
what do you mean rubbish. it’s literally what happened
No such thing as Uber back then and the music places were mostly big pubs, International, Manhatthan, Dorset Garden, Bridge Hotel somewhere south and lots of others. And when I was a teenager, every Saturday Night there was music at many Town Halls; Coburg, Broadie, Heidelberg everywhere. Many on here would remember, and yep it was a long time ago, but every week we could watch Chisel, Dragon, Icehouse etc etc live and kicking.
Pubs turned the function areas into pokies, but pokies didn’t kill the music in other places. Nimbys and drinks driving laws did.
there were numerous smaller pubs with music regularly as well in Collingwood, Richmond and around the city, pokies didn’t kill them; lack of money to pay the musos, as patrons couldn’t drink.
When do you think that live music died ?
and I forgot the international acts that played at all the Universities, especially RMIT.