Not sure if naive or serious
Maybe I am being a bit naive but I’ll wait till all details come out. Just stating my opinion IF they were smashing a couple of lines at a party and they got busted indirectly for a PED. Only if they made the decision.
Quoted PostSo conflicted. So glad to see misery being inflicted on fat ed and his mob but then doesnt necessarily feel right that these kids could have their careers ruined for a couple of lines at a party. If this is the case then I feel sorry for these players. If it was slipped into their drink people would be furious. The fact it was probably slipped into their drugs is just as disgraceful.No ■■■■■■ way, if they choose to do drugs for whatever the reasons on a holiday while having fun they can go and get ■■■■■■. Furthermore if they use this as a reason as to why the PE drug got into the system they need to cop it even more. There are no excuses for drugs. Sorry.Also for all the talk about how well Collingwood are handling it. I dont buy that at all. Their fans and management seem very willing to cut these kids loose. There will be some sort of puff piece about how they are supporting them and then they will cut them into the breeze.
Not saying they should get off, just feel sorry for them. The whole system needs an overhaul… A massive overhaul.
Well ■■■■ off and guzzle another beer mother teresa
Quoted PostQuoted PostSo conflicted. So glad to see misery being inflicted on fat ed and his mob but then doesnt necessarily feel right that these kids could have their careers ruined for a couple of lines at a party. If this is the case then I feel sorry for these players. If it was slipped into their drink people would be furious. The fact it was probably slipped into their drugs is just as disgraceful.No ■■■■■■ way, if they choose to do drugs for whatever the reasons on a holiday while having fun they can go and get ■■■■■■. Furthermore if they use this as a reason as to why the PE drug got into the system they need to cop it even more. There are no excuses for drugs. Sorry.Also for all the talk about how well Collingwood are handling it. I dont buy that at all. Their fans and management seem very willing to cut these kids loose. There will be some sort of puff piece about how they are supporting them and then they will cut them into the breeze.
Not saying they should get off, just feel sorry for them. The whole system needs an overhaul… A massive overhaul.
Well ■■■■ off and guzzle another beer mother teresa
Peptide muncher
Quoted PostQuoted PostSo conflicted. So glad to see misery being inflicted on fat ed and his mob but then doesnt necessarily feel right that these kids could have their careers ruined for a couple of lines at a party. If this is the case then I feel sorry for these players. If it was slipped into their drink people would be furious. The fact it was probably slipped into their drugs is just as disgraceful.No ■■■■■■ way, if they choose to do drugs for whatever the reasons on a holiday while having fun they can go and get ■■■■■■. Furthermore if they use this as a reason as to why the PE drug got into the system they need to cop it even more. There are no excuses for drugs. Sorry.Also for all the talk about how well Collingwood are handling it. I dont buy that at all. Their fans and management seem very willing to cut these kids loose. There will be some sort of puff piece about how they are supporting them and then they will cut them into the breeze.
Not saying they should get off, just feel sorry for them. The whole system needs an overhaul… A massive overhaul.
Well ■■■■ off and guzzle another beer mother teresa
I’m not overly anti-drugs (morally), but it is still illegal - which I’m not a massive fan of, but it does inherently effect the sort of people involved. And not generally in a positive way.
Do you honestly think people should get treated more leniently if they put something in their bodies which they bought off a corner or in a club. From some guy who (probably) bought it from organised crime who’d cut in their bathroom or garage after they’d probably got it from some OS crime syndicate?
I wouldn’t necessarily hold it against someone who’s using drugs (if they’re in control) but if something ■■■■■ up, they have to take full responsibility. Whether that’s something they do on drugs, or some side effect or unintended consequence.
Quoted PostQuoted PostSo conflicted. So glad to see misery being inflicted on fat ed and his mob but then doesnt necessarily feel right that these kids could have their careers ruined for a couple of lines at a party. If this is the case then I feel sorry for these players. If it was slipped into their drink people would be furious. The fact it was probably slipped into their drugs is just as disgraceful.No ■■■■■■ way, if they choose to do drugs for whatever the reasons on a holiday while having fun they can go and get ■■■■■■. Furthermore if they use this as a reason as to why the PE drug got into the system they need to cop it even more. There are no excuses for drugs. Sorry.Also for all the talk about how well Collingwood are handling it. I dont buy that at all. Their fans and management seem very willing to cut these kids loose. There will be some sort of puff piece about how they are supporting them and then they will cut them into the breeze.
Not saying they should get off, just feel sorry for them. The whole system needs an overhaul… A massive overhaul.
Well ■■■■ off and guzzle another beer mother teresa
Sorry Boot and I respect your opinion more than anyones on this board, but if they choose to take illegal drugs(regardless of whether they are a footballer or not) and then they get caught doing so then they have to deal with the ramifications of it. And drugs destroy lives(and there are more qualified on here that will agree). If you do it, then deal with it.
And a couple of lines at a party may seem fun, but I don’t need to go into how that can influence youngsters looking up to AFL footballers.
I couldn’t care less what people do, but when there are laws and rules in place if you break them then deal with the consequences.
I for one hope they just came across this through food and mistakenly. But if they did it on purpose then sorry.
You know at some point somebody's going to have to think of the children. By which I mean the players. As fun as this all is... I mean, we know Collingwood's not doing it...
good luck figuring out the dads
Apparently rumours are that a number of Pies players went to the St.Kilda festival the day before the drug test took place. Putting 2 and 2 together…
bit off topic but has anyone told koshie to go ■■■■ himself yet
Reni Maitua from Parramatta tested positive to Clen mixed with the illicit drugs he was taking in 2011.
A Manly U/20 player also tested positive to it.
The question I have is if this happened in the NRL in 2011, wouldn’t that news have filtered through AFL clubs by 2014?
Quoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostSo conflicted. So glad to see misery being inflicted on fat ed and his mob but then doesnt necessarily feel right that these kids could have their careers ruined for a couple of lines at a party. If this is the case then I feel sorry for these players. If it was slipped into their drink people would be furious. The fact it was probably slipped into their drugs is just as disgraceful.No ■■■■■■ way, if they choose to do drugs for whatever the reasons on a holiday while having fun they can go and get ■■■■■■. Furthermore if they use this as a reason as to why the PE drug got into the system they need to cop it even more. There are no excuses for drugs. Sorry.Also for all the talk about how well Collingwood are handling it. I dont buy that at all. Their fans and management seem very willing to cut these kids loose. There will be some sort of puff piece about how they are supporting them and then they will cut them into the breeze.
Not saying they should get off, just feel sorry for them. The whole system needs an overhaul… A massive overhaul.
Well ■■■■ off and guzzle another beer mother teresa
Sorry Boot and I respect your opinion more than anyones on this board, but if they choose to take illegal drugs(regardless of whether they are a footballer or not) and then they get caught doing so then they have to deal with the ramifications of it. And drugs destroy lives(and there are more qualified on here that will agree). If you do it, then deal with it.
And a couple of lines at a party may seem fun, but I don’t need to go into how that can influence youngsters looking up to AFL footballers.
I couldn’t care less what people do, but when there are laws and rules in place if you break them then deal with the consequences.
I for one hope they just came across this through food and mistakenly. But if they did it on purpose then sorry.
You’ve got to make some room for people to be less than perfect. Such an uncompromising, black and white outlook helps no one despite good intentions. Young people who take recreational drugs, and in my opinion, that is quite different to taking performance enhancing drugs.
Quoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostSo conflicted. So glad to see misery being inflicted on fat ed and his mob but then doesnt necessarily feel right that these kids could have their careers ruined for a couple of lines at a party. If this is the case then I feel sorry for these players. If it was slipped into their drink people would be furious. The fact it was probably slipped into their drugs is just as disgraceful.No ■■■■■■ way, if they choose to do drugs for whatever the reasons on a holiday while having fun they can go and get ■■■■■■. Furthermore if they use this as a reason as to why the PE drug got into the system they need to cop it even more. There are no excuses for drugs. Sorry.Also for all the talk about how well Collingwood are handling it. I dont buy that at all. Their fans and management seem very willing to cut these kids loose. There will be some sort of puff piece about how they are supporting them and then they will cut them into the breeze.
Not saying they should get off, just feel sorry for them. The whole system needs an overhaul… A massive overhaul.
Well ■■■■ off and guzzle another beer mother teresa
Sorry Boot and I respect your opinion more than anyones on this board, but if they choose to take illegal drugs(regardless of whether they are a footballer or not) and then they get caught doing so then they have to deal with the ramifications of it. And drugs destroy lives(and there are more qualified on here that will agree). If you do it, then deal with it.
And a couple of lines at a party may seem fun, but I don’t need to go into how that can influence youngsters looking up to AFL footballers.
I couldn’t care less what people do, but when there are laws and rules in place if you break them then deal with the consequences.
I for one hope they just came across this through food and mistakenly. But if they did it on purpose then sorry.
You’ve got to make some room for people to be less than perfect. Such an uncompromising, black and white outlook helps no one despite good intentions. Young people who take recreational drugs, and in my opinion, that is quite different to taking performance enhancing drugs.
I agree with that, but it goes past being a mistake once it becomes a habit and starts effecting those aroiund. Guess that’s the point I am trying to make.
Nick Maxwell and Cam Mooney were discussing exactly the same point(about mistakes with young players) and then suggested a 2 point rule system. And I think that is fair.
It’s just when people take advantage of a system for their personal gain not considering the rest around then, is when they need help not heaps of money to play football. That’s my opinion anyway 
edit: I have kind of gone off topic related to the players in perspective. whoops
Quoted PostAFL players get 3 strikes. I know it is hard to prove intent but there needs to be room to move with this stuff. Surely we aren't just testing fir the presence of the drug but also the amount. Also wouldn't there still be traces of any narcotic in the test as well.Quoted PostQuoted PostSo conflicted. So glad to see misery being inflicted on fat ed and his mob but then doesnt necessarily feel right that these kids could have their careers ruined for a couple of lines at a party. If this is the case then I feel sorry for these players. If it was slipped into their drink people would be furious. The fact it was probably slipped into their drugs is just as disgraceful.No ■■■■■■ way, if they choose to do drugs for whatever the reasons on a holiday while having fun they can go and get ■■■■■■. Furthermore if they use this as a reason as to why the PE drug got into the system they need to cop it even more. There are no excuses for drugs. Sorry.Also for all the talk about how well Collingwood are handling it. I dont buy that at all. Their fans and management seem very willing to cut these kids loose. There will be some sort of puff piece about how they are supporting them and then they will cut them into the breeze.
Not saying they should get off, just feel sorry for them. The whole system needs an overhaul… A massive overhaul.
Well ■■■■ off and guzzle another beer mother teresa
Sorry Boot and I respect your opinion more than anyones on this board, but if they choose to take illegal drugs(regardless of whether they are a footballer or not) and then they get caught doing so then they have to deal with the ramifications of it. And drugs destroy lives(and there are more qualified on here that will agree). If you do it, then deal with it.
And a couple of lines at a party may seem fun, but I don’t need to go into how that can influence youngsters looking up to AFL footballers.
I couldn’t care less what people do, but when there are laws and rules in place if you break them then deal with the consequences.
I for one hope they just came across this through food and mistakenly. But if they did it on purpose then sorry.
I hate the idea that someone’s career could get destroyed when they weren’t actually trying to cheat.
Quoted PostQuoted PostAFL players get 3 strikes. I know it is hard to prove intent but there needs to be room to move with this stuff. Surely we aren't just testing fir the presence of the drug but also the amount. Also wouldn't there still be traces of any narcotic in the test as well.Quoted PostQuoted PostSo conflicted. So glad to see misery being inflicted on fat ed and his mob but then doesnt necessarily feel right that these kids could have their careers ruined for a couple of lines at a party. If this is the case then I feel sorry for these players. If it was slipped into their drink people would be furious. The fact it was probably slipped into their drugs is just as disgraceful.No ■■■■■■ way, if they choose to do drugs for whatever the reasons on a holiday while having fun they can go and get ■■■■■■. Furthermore if they use this as a reason as to why the PE drug got into the system they need to cop it even more. There are no excuses for drugs. Sorry.Also for all the talk about how well Collingwood are handling it. I dont buy that at all. Their fans and management seem very willing to cut these kids loose. There will be some sort of puff piece about how they are supporting them and then they will cut them into the breeze.
Not saying they should get off, just feel sorry for them. The whole system needs an overhaul… A massive overhaul.
Well ■■■■ off and guzzle another beer mother teresa
Sorry Boot and I respect your opinion more than anyones on this board, but if they choose to take illegal drugs(regardless of whether they are a footballer or not) and then they get caught doing so then they have to deal with the ramifications of it. And drugs destroy lives(and there are more qualified on here that will agree). If you do it, then deal with it.
And a couple of lines at a party may seem fun, but I don’t need to go into how that can influence youngsters looking up to AFL footballers.
I couldn’t care less what people do, but when there are laws and rules in place if you break them then deal with the consequences.
I for one hope they just came across this through food and mistakenly. But if they did it on purpose then sorry.
I hate the idea that someone’s career could get destroyed when they weren’t actually trying to cheat.
I agree with what you trying to say, but what defines cheating? Can we really state that a taking a PED is any worse than taking a recreational drug? Especially when said recreational drug can be more dangerous.
I mean look at Ben Cousins, you would have almost preferred for him to be on roids.
It’s a fine line and while I was initially straight out with it, I agree there needs to be room for someone to make a mistake, but three times is three too many. Life doesn’t afford everyone third chances. Some are lucky, many are not.
This is all only if they meant to do it.
If they make illicit drugs worth a ban then so be it. Would thin the league out significantly. Right now the players get 3 strikes. I don’t see b the difference between getting it from tainted meat or tainted coke. There is still no intention to cheat. A player doing coke in the off season isn’t cheating.
In the end they will become a cautionary tale.
Whilst i have indulged in a lot of schadenfreude over this I must confess to now feeling a bit sorry for the players.
A stupid moment is going to cost them their career. Pretty sad.
This is such a weird topic to discuss about as we all have our own experiences. We will end up having to go to the base of the topic on what we define a performance enhancing drug to be.
But I will end(try to) it in if you know you are not allowed to do something, and you do it then you have face the consequences. If you didn’t do it on purpose then that is a whole different thing. Use the guys in Bali on death row as an example, they well knew the death penalty was in play when they made their decision.
Whether we like the outcome or not personally, you do the crime you pay the time.
If these boys did ■■■■ up(with the intention to use illegal drugs) then they deserve to get banned.
They also deserve to be rehabilitated(I’m looking at you Eddie) and supported by the community so that they can come back and understand the ramifications of their actions.
The AFL allows some use of illicit drugs. Using b recreational drugs is not a banning offense.
If they make illicit drugs worth a ban then so be it. Would thin the league out significantly. Right now the players get 3 strikes. I don't see b the difference between getting it from tainted meat or tainted coke. There is still no intention to cheat. A player doing coke in the off season isn't cheating.In the end they will become a cautionary tale.
Arguably not from a moral POV but from a risk management perspective there is an absolutely massive difference.
Like driving without a seatbelt.all well and good if you don’t crash, but when your head goes through the windscreen because someone t-bones you, how much comfort do you get from “well I never meant to die”?
The ASADA code (and given the past 2 years, any player, coach or administrator who hasn’t memorised it is a fool) makes it damn clear you’re responsible for everything you take.
Doing anything illegal just gives you absolutely no recourse to turn around and say “well how could I know something could go wrong?”.
And treating 22 year olds like 10 year olds just because they play footy is, sadly, what we do.