I think that this war will being resolved in the longterm through the battlefield itself. There is no political will from the Ukrainians to reach a political settlement with Putin. The only settlement they want is for all invaders to GTFO or die. Trump is selling delusion to his personality cult when he pledges to end the war ‘in 24 hours’. As for the russians, who the hell needs “to save them face”? When they sue for peace, they will need to be punished legally, economically, politically and made to pay for all the destruction, pain and loss they have caused.
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With politicians, you’re picking the preferred over a bad bunch which is why you need to look at party policy.
And past rape.
It is true that that all politicians are flawed, but Trump’s outsized history make it a pretty easy calculus.
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I thought I was quite clear in pointing out how you’re ignoring my reasonable questions.
And I’m not interested in a response saying it’s 1 v 20 or any other such cop out.
I’ve asked you several times about your view on Russia as a reasonable negotiator when taking into account the recent history of agreements between Ukraine and Russia.
You’ve had ample opportunity to answer but continue to ignore the questions whilst at the same time posting quite a number of times…so you’ve had both the time and opportunity to respond.
I’m left with the assumption that you’re either you’re unable to provide a reasonable response or you’re such plain rude and ignoring me because my question doesn’t suit you.
Oh, so now character doesn’t bother you.
It was weird how you were attacking the character of a guy that’s not running to be President, kinda….kinda viciously.
But yes, I can see that doesn’t bother you now.
Stop feeding it.
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The face of someone who’s swallowed Trump and said thank you sir
So if Russia and Ukraine agreed to end the war through a treaty, whereby Ukraine retained land and Russia walked away from the invasion, would this be sufficicent in your eyes?
Ukraine will not sign any treaty that does not include the return to pre 2014 borders.
I also believe that they will push hard for extensive reparations from the Russians to help pay for the extensive rebuilding that their cities, towns and villages will require.
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If Ukraine agreed to pre-invasion land retention and Russia stopped invasion and attacks into Ukraine lands, would this be sufficent in your mind?
Keep in mind everyone knows Russia would never, ever pay reparations. Would he above be an acceptable outcome in your mind?
Loflyer trying to maintain the intellectual intregrity of the thread…good grief.
Okay swoodley I’ll put you to the top of the list. A little demanding as you can see I have been responding quite a lot.
I don’t agree with the view that negotiation is a waste of time because Russia cannot be trusted.
If it’s saves lives and ends the war, it has to be explored. They must try.
The alternative, like I said, is escalation until we eventually get involved. This is the US politics forum, so the view is from the American citizen (and us as Australians)
Trump publicly states he wants to end war in 24 hours. Is this realistic? Unlikely
Is he lying? Neither of us know. Publicly stating it then committing more money to Ukraine if elected, would be quite the turn around.
I think of this as trending towards world war. The Ukraine situation is only escalating with no signs of de-escalation. That’s where I am coming from. That’s where we are headed. I think “ultimate Ukraine victory” in every sense, is unrealistic. The truth is, neither of us have a crystal ball. I personally don’t see how Ukraine can outlast , or defeat russia. Especially if funding from the US reduces.
This would be a war against a super power, and we both know Russia are holding back. They could obliterate Ukraine if they wanted to. How long do we keep prodding Russia?
You believe Ukraine can defeat russia, so of course you don’t even want to enter negotiations.
You’re not considering what action Russia might take, if they feel they cannot win.
If Ukraine and it’s citizens want to defend down to the last man, that’s their choice.
We are not there but it’s strange how the war is cheered on when war itself is horrific. You have a very black and white view on the situation. Too many people are dying.
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Thanks for that response…
Yes, we disagree on a number of areas but I really do appreciate the time and effort you put in to addressing my questions.
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Yes for the first point.
Re the second, I think that a lot of potential reparations will come from seized Russian assets that will be handed over to Ukraine by various NATO member countries.
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Russia won’t cede any captured territory at the negotiating table.
Certainly not one at which Ukraine has a weak hand.
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There will be no reparations Swoodley, in no world does this happen and you know this, unless Russia suffers a cataclysmic defeat militarily and the country itself falls apart, which it wouldn’t in the scenario of it signing a treaty. The question was more, would you accept that Ukraine retains its land pre invasion and Russia incurs no reparations, would this be acceptable to you if it ends the war now?
Which assets, inside Ukraine or are you talking about assets in Russia seized by NATO? So you’re talking about a full fledged invasion of Russia to obtain these assets by force?
Various NATO Countries and The US (and possibly others) have seized significant amounts of Russian assets already.
There was an article I read recently that spoke about this:
So don’t tell me it won’t happen when it’s already occurring.
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Russia has a lot of frozen assets in the West, mainly in Europe. Depending on the legal situation in individual countries, some are using the interest earned on those assets to be allocated to humanitarian type assistance in Ukraine. The US, which doesn’t hold a lot, has reportedly appropriated them.
In some instances, the assets of sanctioned oligarchs ( like yachts) have been seized and appropriated.
I’m not arguing there haven’t been seized and frozen Russian assets. Obviously there has been. Along with economic sanctions. This is not reparations from Russia.
I was referring to Russia itself being forced to give reparations as apart of a treaty, which they would never do willingly.
Which, my question of: would you accept that Ukraine retains its land pre invasion and Russia incurs no reparations, would this be acceptable to you if it ends the war now?
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