Well I think theres a strong female vote which responds to fear. On crime and the economy,
Trump also promised free IVF - relevant to couples, LGTBI+ voters and women.
Harris didnt get any success with blue collar men and Trump just kept his base there. Thats not surprising. What did she offer them?
Iâm sure itâs true for some.
But it forgives the mistakes of the Democratic campaign, and ignores the broader concerns of the US public.
But, perhaps itâs part of the puzzle.
Youâd expect them to increase year over year, but 2020 was far outside the recent norms. I ran the numbers earlier in the thread:
2004 - 121 069 054
2008 - 129 446 839
2012 - 126 849 299
2016 - 128 838 342
2020 - 155 507 476
2024 - 139 688 803 (and counting).
There is a pretty large dropoff prior to 2004, but as much as I hate the realisation and how old it makes me feel, that was a pretty long time ago 
Pretty steady for 16 years, and then a sudden jump of over 30 million.
Lots of factors obviously contributed, but it definitely wasnât just a population increase.
Itâs harder to analyse properly given voting isnât compulsory over there.
Clubhouse leader.
If they want to win either a Southern Dem like Clinton who would run rings around most modern candidates- or a great orator/ charismatic like Obama.
The experi.ent is done. Over
What sounds great in a celebrity filled room in Brentwood is NOT the real world
Sure. Obviously Iâm not blaming Trump for history nor am I saying everyone does a great job all the time. But I can imagine a constant, subtle, war-against-war being quietly fought at diplomatic levels in lots of regions that we are barely aware of. Trump doesnât have the patience or inclination for that. In the short term I expect the US will stop sending obsolete weapons to Ukraine, who will then be under resourced and necessarily cede land for temporary peace. Putin will go quiet for a while, there will be âpeace in our timeâ for a bit while Russia rearms, then you know what happens next âŚ.
Itâs too early for any sort of legit postmortem on the Dems side. Everyone is still hurting too much and is too angry. Understandable, but not helpful for a dispassionate analysis. Right now everyone is busy blaming everyone else, and trying to avoid blame themselves. Iâve seen every possible explanation, many of which contradict each other. Of course, the real truth is likely to be a combination of things.
So far, a SHORT list of the things/people Iâve seen blamed:
I could name a hundred others. The truth is likely a mix. My personal best guess would be that inflation was probably the biggest single contributor - even though itâs under control now, wages have lagged well behind and people whose paycheque doesnât stretch as far now as it did a few years back arenât going to notice that now prices are growing somewhat slower again. But that can only be a small part of it - I donât think itâs a reason that Dem voters would stay at home en masse, which is what happened. My gut feeling is that a whole lot of young people stayed at home over Gaza (itâs hard to get young idealists passionate about voting for the marginally better of two genocide candidates), but I have no empirical evidence to back that up
.Worth noting that Trumpâs support is very very concentrated among certain demographics. Dems won 18-25s, they won 25s to 39s, they won 65+s, they won African-Americans (heavily) and Hispanic voters (much less heavily). Trumpâs only real consistent comfortable winning demographics were white men (white women he snuck over the line), and people 40-65. (Yep, we canât blame the boomers any more, now itâs the Gen Xers stuffing us all over!) But he won those demographics by big enough margins, and those demographics turned out in big enough numbers, that they were able to overpower pretty much everyone else.
Wouldnât you look at say population size and voters numbers and come up with a percentage of those who voted? Wouldnât that sort of give you an idea if numbers are genuinely increasing or is it just population growth?
Remember the âJD Vance is weirdâ thingâŚ
Lets say he â â â â â â a couch.
Again⌠What are you guys doing???
Keep proving my point.
Every post you make makes a rational conservative bury their face in their hands.
Theyâre embarrassed to be aligned with you, and so they should be.
Youâre motivated by hatred.
You enjoy suffering.
If you want to not be called out in it then STOP DOING IT.
I think thats rubbish. Harrisâs gender wasnât an issue.
I mean pro trump supports might contain bigots that do find it an issue.(just as pro harris supporters who find men repulsive).
But im not sure itâs indicative given the people who didnt show up to vote for her.
I doubt 15 million people left the democrats because of her colour or gender.
Thank you for making this day even sweeter 
what we donât (yet) know is if the makeup of the voting blocks are substantially different from 2020. Trumpâs vote looks like being slightly down on 2020. So If he gained in latino, young male and suburban female voters, then he obviously lost in other areaâs. But they clearly didnât go to Democrat . Or if they did, then the Dems base eroded even further in other areaâs.
It looks like Stein has pulled over half a million votes , most youâd think from Harris. Thatâs not enough to account for the two candidate margin, but in specific states it may have made an EC impact.
There will be a lot to unpack if the data is sufficiently detailed.
I want to believe that.
I do.
The pure metrics are difficult to ignore.
Gen x middle management is worse than anything boomers could come up with
You could, but it wonât change the conclusion
The US population grows at around .5% per year. Thatâs about 6 million people over that 4 year period.
Of course.
Because you are an awful, awful person.
Others suffering is your joy.
Thatâs who you are.
And Iâm fine with that.
Iâm not fine with you sulking about being called what you so very clearly are.
Their will be a variety of reasons why people didnât feel motivated to vote for Harris, both conscious and subconscious.
But, again, just pointing a finger at gender/race as the sole reason is a bit lazy and ignores the multitude of mistakes the Democrats made along the way and the concerns of the electorate.
Under AUKUS we are giving the yanks what 300 plus billion and creating heaps of manufacturing jobs for them?
He will love the deal
Yep, AUKUS right now is Australia eating US/UK â â â â in the vague and non-binding promise of some sort of future assistance. Trump will stick to it right up until the moment we need him, then heâll walk away like he does with all his obligations.