US politics - The ICE epidemic (part 10)

Historically he’s been anti war. He pitched anti war.

Historically he has been a total liar that will say anything to get elected. Behavior reveals character.

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The problem with too many people is that they think the second sentence (which is true) means the first sentence is also true.

Trump pitches every possible policy imaginable and blithely ignores the contradictions between what he’s saying today and what he said yesterday, because the only thing that matters to him is right now. Yes, he’s pitched peace. He’s also pitched military force.

Worth remembering how Trump ALSO wanted to invade Iran in his first term, and it’s fairly well documented how Miller and the other military/defence people, who at that stage had not yet been purged for insufficient bootlicking, would only just managed to talk him down. How anyone calls him anti war after that, I just don’t know. Not to mention how enormously he expanded the drone war in his first term.

Trump has been the central figure of US politics for a decade now. He has a very long public record. Everyone knows what he is, and how much he can’t be trusted. At this point, if you believe what he says, there’s no excuse.

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his actual actions (not words) have been pro war

plagiarizing myself - and this doesn’t even include his current term

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100% agree with that.

Is it still too early to tell if Trump will turn out to be a lying, incompetent, war mongering, grifting, piece of dog ■■■■ unfit to occupy the planet?

I seem to recall a poster here last January thought it was.

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Sorry Mr President , we’ve just entered the non communicable zone…

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Me. 14 months ago??

of course he’s all those things. That was never my argument.

Is that related to this administration? or his last?

his last

his current term would be a novel

Imagine going farther than any human being has gone from earth and still be unable to avoid the orange one’s inane rambling

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Just for the record, here is a quick summary of Trump’s views on his illegal war:

Mar 3: “We won the war.”
Mar 7: “We defeated Iran.”
Mar 9: “We must attack Iran.”
Mar 9: “The war is ending almost completely, and very beautifully.”
Mar 11: “You never like to say too early you won. We won. In the first hour it was over.”
Mar 12: “We did win, but we haven’t won completely yet.”
Mar 13: “We won the war.”
Mar 14: “Please help us.”
Mar 15: “If you don’t help us, I will certainly remember it.”
Mar 16: “Actually, we don’t need any help at all.”
Mar 16: “I was just testing to see who’s listening to me.”
Mar 16: “If NATO doesn’t help, they will suffer something very bad.”
Mar 17: “We neither need nor want NATO’s help.”
Mar 17: “I don’t need Congressional approval to withdraw from NATO.”
Mar 18: “Our allies must cooperate in reopening the Strait of Hormuz.”
Mar 19: “US allies need to get a grip step up and help open the Strait of Hormuz.”
Mar 20: “NATO are cowards.”
Mar 21: “The Strait of Hormuz must be protected by the countries that use it. We don’t use it; we don’t need to open it.”
Mar 22: “This is the last time. I will give Iran 48 hours. Open the strait.”
Mar 22: “Iran is dead.”
Mar 23: “We had very good and productive talks with Iran.”
Mar 24: “We’re making progress.”
Mar 25: “They gave us a present, and it arrived today. It was a very big present, worth a tremendous amount of money. I’m not going to say what it is, but it’s very significant.”
Mar 26: “Make a deal, or we’ll just keep blowing them away.”
Mar 27: “We don’t have to be there for NATO.”
Mar 28: No major statement.
Mar 29: Claimed talks were progressing.
Mar 30: “Open the Strait of Hormuz immediately, or face devastating consequences.”
Mar 31: Claimed a deal was “very close” and that Iran would “do the right thing.”
Apr 1: “We’ll see what happens very soon.”
Apr 2: Reiterated a deal was likely, while warning of continued strikes if not.
Apr 3: “Something big is going to happen.”
Apr 4: Warned Iran must comply “immediately” or face further consequences.
Apr 5: “Open the f*ckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah.”

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And this one.

Wonder what planb’s feelings are about trump being besties with Jeff?

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How’s this one going?

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Sure, all your fancy receipts and all, but how could they have kNoWN?

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Well apparently they did know.

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You won’t be getting any answers from those posters…they all seem to have either retired or just lost their interest in US politics.

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