Sister mother father brother
Why can’t we just love each other.
Just not with bottles.
So you're saying that's rape as well?CRIMES ACT 1958 - SECT 37D
Sexual penetration(1) A person (A) sexually penetrates another person (B) if— (a) A introduces (to any extent) a part of A's body or an object into B's vagina; or (b) A introduces (to any extent) a part of A's body or an object into B's ■■■■; or© A introduces (to any extent) their ■■■■■ into B’s mouth; or
(d) A, having introduced a part of A's body or an object into B's vagina, continues to keep it there; or (e) A, having introduced a part of A's body or an object into B's ■■■■, continues to keep it there; or(f) A, having introduced their ■■■■■ into B’s mouth, continues to keep it there.
crimes act says it is
Interesting. Is sexual penetration in this case an offense or a definition?
Because it’s the former then it’s not rape.Come on man - it’s sexual penetration, as defined, without consent, as defined.
I was asking if that was a charge in it’s own right (as distinct from rape) or a description of sexual penetration as a preamble to a charge of rape.
Fair enough.
I think they stand alone as definitions. I may be wrong.
Mitres fail
As reason dissolves
In despair we reach for prose
Touché.
Footballers Cricketers, don’t be dumb
It’s wrong to stick bottles in a drunk mates bum.
99 bottles of beer on the wall… I’ll get me coat, and a few other things…
Luckily the law disagrees :)So you're saying that's rape as well?No, just that you’re being incredibly dense. The guy got raped, filmed and it was put on social media. He got violated and an extreme breach of trust and all you ■■■■■ think about is how the retarded ■■■■ you got up to before the internet and electricity was around was funny and that he should just toughen up.
a) calm the ■■■■ down
b) don’t assume I got up to any of this stuff. Kind of rude.
c) arguing that the guy got raped because the guy got raped is redundant.
d) I have no idea why you think that just because I’m arguing something wasn’t rape, or wasn’t sexual, that it wasn’t a bad thing to do.
e) Not sure where I suggested any of this is funny
f) you’re being kind of a jerkWim - they could have stuck the bottle hanging out of the guy’s mouth - after all, that’s where bottles usually go. They could have done that while he was unconscious, and then posted it on Facebook. It would have been crude, disrespectful, and it would have probably violated a few laws. But they didn’t. They stuck it in his ■■■■ instead. I think that makes it sexual.
But also by the definition above, putting a ■■■■■ (sigh fine, then: vibrator) into his mouth and all the same circumstances would not have even been sexual penetration, let alone rape.
FWIW I don’t think ‘that makes it sexual’ at all. Although it may, in fact does by the definition posted, make it a form of sexual assault.And I’m not even talking about the posting it on facebook, unless anyone’s arguing that counts as a separate count of rape.
no i think the definition of rape clearly has to involve a sexual organ somewhere along the lines
forcibly putting a vibrator into someones mouth against their will would definitely be assault however
Just because someone thinks they are joking around, in or out of a specific cultural context, doesn’t excuse any act of penetration without clear conscious consent. No consent equals violation. A bottle penetrating the backside of an unconscious man is a violation of his person and his right not to be penetrated. That is rape. No grey areas here. It is rape. So help me god if anyone did that to one of my kids and tried to lessen the act by claiming it was a joke I would lose my ducking ■■■■■.
So you're saying that's rape as well?CRIMES ACT 1958 - SECT 37D
Sexual penetration(1) A person (A) sexually penetrates another person (B) if— (a) A introduces (to any extent) a part of A's body or an object into B's vagina; or (b) A introduces (to any extent) a part of A's body or an object into B's ■■■■; or© A introduces (to any extent) their ■■■■■ into B’s mouth; or
(d) A, having introduced a part of A's body or an object into B's vagina, continues to keep it there; or (e) A, having introduced a part of A's body or an object into B's ■■■■, continues to keep it there; or(f) A, having introduced their ■■■■■ into B’s mouth, continues to keep it there.
crimes act says it is
Interesting. Is sexual penetration in this case an offense or a definition?
Because it’s the former then it’s not rape.Come on man - it’s sexual penetration, as defined, without consent, as defined.
I was asking if that was a charge in it’s own right (as distinct from rape) or a description of sexual penetration as a preamble to a charge of rape.
Fair enough.
I think they stand alone as definitions. I may be wrong.
I do know, that if it had been a wine bottle, you could say he’d been graped …
(Too soon?)
So you're saying that's rape as well?CRIMES ACT 1958 - SECT 37D
Sexual penetration(1) A person (A) sexually penetrates another person (B) if— (a) A introduces (to any extent) a part of A's body or an object into B's vagina; or (b) A introduces (to any extent) a part of A's body or an object into B's ■■■■; or© A introduces (to any extent) their ■■■■■ into B’s mouth; or
(d) A, having introduced a part of A's body or an object into B's vagina, continues to keep it there; or (e) A, having introduced a part of A's body or an object into B's ■■■■, continues to keep it there; or(f) A, having introduced their ■■■■■ into B’s mouth, continues to keep it there.
crimes act says it is
Interesting. Is sexual penetration in this case an offense or a definition?
Because it’s the former then it’s not rape.Come on man - it’s sexual penetration, as defined, without consent, as defined.
I was asking if that was a charge in it’s own right (as distinct from rape) or a description of sexual penetration as a preamble to a charge of rape.
Fair enough.
I think they stand alone as definitions. I may be wrong.I do know, that if it had been a wine bottle, you could say he’d been graped …
(Too soon?)
Could have given it a few more posts…oops sorry.