Most impacted IMO are older slower players. Woosha has no loyalty to any player, and doesnt need loyalty from any player. He will be very objective so performance in the 2016 pre-season and NAB series will determine the Round 1 starting 22.
Clear air.
Most impacted IMO are older slower players. Woosha has no loyalty to any player, and doesnt need loyalty from any player. He will be very objective so performance in the 2016 pre-season and NAB series will determine the Round 1 starting 22.Clear air.
Completely agree Chris
Zaka would want a big year I think
Personally not sure new kids will be brought in wholesale.
I have no problem with smaller guys getting a game, and am confident Parish’s reported talent and attack will get him to the level we all hope for. All of this emphasis on bigger bodies just because of Nat Fyffe is I think misplaced. Lachie Neale, Rory Sloane, Cyril, Joel Selwood, Puopolo, Sam Mitchell, Zerrett, Jack Steven, Eddie Betts, Michael Walters, Anthony Miles. There’s a few off the top that I don’t think beat 6 ft in the old, no doubt there’s a heap more. Cousins went alright before he wrecked his brain; I remember him torching Hirdy one night from the backline including aerial duals, and I remember being staggered he was 179.
Having said all that, I think all new guys need a bit of time to adjust to the size and speed of their opponents, and when you are slight it might take a little while to get familiar with managing contests and working through congestion. Parish and Francis both from round 1 might yet happen, but it won’t bother me if either/both make only sporadic early appearances. It’s appealing to think Francis will be more ready just because he’s bigger, but he also has to get used to the different game. Taking speccies over scrawny opponents you are bigger than might be great but it will be a bit harder when they are bigger than you and have just given you a few repeat 45 m leads to keep up with.
On that basis, the incumbent mids might eventually feel more pressure, but I’m not sure it will be instantaneous.
No doubt every club is thinking the same rose coloured thoughts, but it’s nice to be wondering who is going to miss out rather than who can we find to put in!
Has to be Benfti! Eades and Tippa
Certainly plenty of interesting parts of the list to watch now. Get the development right and anything can happen. That’s really the only weakness, green mids and small forwards. Also, no obvious clearance beast to replace Jobe. Probably someone already listed to do it though.
First year draftees who played round 1 recentlyish, there might be others2014 - zmerret, Ambrose
2013 - Kommer
2012 -
2011 - Hepp
2010 -
2009 - hurlsIt does happe
Some first years debut early in most years, if not round 1:
Langford round 5 last year, 2 in round 1 last year (as well as Glees who was a very skinny 2nd year) and Ashby as a 2nd year in about round 5, Cory Dellhole was round 4 in his first year.
Etc etc.
There’s some kids who are clearly never going to, but if they’ve got some sort of size, they generally get a run.
Ambrose is an interesting one. I think his endeavour is great and clearly he can run etc but hasn’t quite done enough. I see in the training thread he was being used in defence? That could be interesting as a third tall and then gives even more options with the talls we have. I suspect that there maybe a couple of positional moves Woosha will make that will open up positions which we haven’t thought of. The obvious one would be Jobe and BJ perhaps more forward than they have in the past
Clearly the most impacted by the draft is Benfti
Clearly the most impacted by the draft is Benfti
Benfti’s pants. Ruined.
people were flamed earlier this year for saying this as I recall but ambrose should be hocking’s understudy IMO. decent pace, stellar tank, good size, nasty streak and probably not the guy we want kicking too much. Wouldn’t mind seeing him coming off a wing during the Nab to pick up a player. Hocking has genuine craft at stoppages though, knows how to block and create space better than most. Ambrose would have some catching up to do before he’d get a gig in the center square. I just think we have some more polished and dynamic options for lead up/3rd tall roles.
people were flamed earlier this year for saying this as I recall but ambrose should be hocking's understudy IMO. decent pace, stellar tank, good size, nasty streak and probably not the guy we want kicking too much. Wouldn't mind seeing him coming off a wing during the Nab to pick up a player. Hocking has genuine craft at stoppages though, knows how to block and create space better than most. Ambrose would have some catching up to do before he'd get a gig in the center square. I just think we have some more polished and dynamic options for lead up/3rd tall roles.Doesn't have the agility, reflexes or smarts to play in the center square.
people were flamed earlier this year for saying this as I recall but ambrose should be hocking's understudy IMO. decent pace, stellar tank, good size, nasty streak and probably not the guy we want kicking too much. Wouldn't mind seeing him coming off a wing during the Nab to pick up a player. Hocking has genuine craft at stoppages though, knows how to block and create space better than most. Ambrose would have some catching up to do before he'd get a gig in the center square. I just think we have some more polished and dynamic options for lead up/3rd tall roles.I absolutely agree, he would make a great tagger. Is strong, gutsy, can run all day and through anyone at the drop of a hat, has a bit of the creative mongrel about him. Would be well suited to the role. Putting him back in defence will teach him some new tricks. Go the 'brose.
Gleeson, Howlett and maybe Zaka. Guys like Ashby, Ambrose must improve a lot from last year to get games this year.
Zaka will be playing two’s next year if he doesn’t pull the finger out.
Thought it would be interesting to have a bit of a think about how the new draftees impact the current list and work out who's going to be working harder this preseason to keep their spot. New coach as well.Parish will put immediate pressure on for a role in the midfield rotation. Jobe, Hocking, Stanton, Goddard, Zach Merrett, Colyer and Heppell are walk up starts which leaves guys like Myers, Howlett, J Merrett and Laverde looking over their shoulders you’d think.
Francis will have a few guys worried but I think the guys with the most concerns will be Marty Gleeson and Tayter. He won’t displace Hurley, Hibberd, Hooker or Baguley but those last two spots in the back six are really up for grabs. Mitch Brown places added pressure on Gwilt and Hartley will be a guy who’s nipping at the heels as well.
Up forward Joey is pretty safe but we have five roles to fill around him. Ambrose probably gets first crack at the third forward role and McKernan, Hooker or TBC will be the second tall. Dempsey, Shredwards, Cooney, Langford and Merrett are some of the guys who have played up there but none have really staked a claim for a walk up start. This is probably the weakest part of our team but unless they are planning on trying Francis on a flank I don’t see any of the new draftees putting a great deal of pressure on in their first year. Mitch Brown has shown he can play forward and the SA boy might play a couple of games. Yestin, you’d think, would have a fair bit of work to do but might come in for a cameo.
I really don’t know what that rd 1 forward line looks like tbh, still don’t know where we are getting our goals from outside of JD.
Ruck depth pretty much hasn’t changed, TBC, McKernan and Luenberger are all talented but also all have their weaknesses / durability concerns.
Who do you think will be sweating the most?
that David Zaharakis did even rate a mention in your list tells you exactly who parish will be putting pressure on. Don’t really see why cooney would be getting games either unless he is in irresistible form and Dempsey will likewise have to have an outstanding preseason to push past laverde, lanford, fanta in my eyes.
Bird and Berger also should be mentioned in this conversation. Tbell and howlett most directly in the gun for those two.
francis just starts at 3rd tall, get games into him. Gwilt is ■■■■■■ good insurance
my rd 1 team probably looks something like this right now
bags hurls francis
hibb hooker gleesonstanton hepp laverde
berger hocking zerretcolyer smack langford
jobe JD BirdBJ Myers fanta ???(toss a coin - zaka, coon, demps, parish, edwards, ambrose, mckenna, howlett)
Yeah good call… Zaka is a shadow of the player he was in the early part of the decade.
He’s had 1 ■■■■ year (along with about 25 mates last year… I might add). Still can’t see where people are sticking the pin in, I think people forget just how good his skills are, he’s a great mark for his size, good kick and he’s super creative and damaging.
That said, I’d be looking at him for forward line. His defensive pressure, while it can get shown up in midfield, is decent enough with the lower work rate required in the forward line.
thats pretty much why
low work rate and goes missing for games at a time
he is damaging, he does have great skills, just dont see them used enough
i agree with the move to the forwardline, however
It depend on what sort of reset button Woosha pushes. Whether he goes a warm reset for business as usual, and gradual introduction of younger players, or presses the cold restart button and starts a program of getting games into as many young players as possible from the outset, like we did last year due to injuries. That might be better in the long run but it means he will lose a lot of games.
Who is most impacted by that draft?
All the other 17 teams now that we have Tippa.
There is a heap of kids that are sitting on the fringe that simply need to put on a lot of weight, and build their endurance.We’ve been waiting for these kids to transition between Flank and midfield. They haven’t done it.
There is a lot of these kids on the list.
Jono is to be congratulated not only for this post but for avoiding the grammatical errors that over 90% of our communication specialists would make.
Zaka will be playing two's next year if he doesn't pull the finger out.
Even Hirdy gave it too him in his retirement speech.
Thought it would be interesting to have a bit of a think about how the new draftees impact the current list and work out who's going to be working harder this preseason to keep their spot. New coach as well.Parish will put immediate pressure on for a role in the midfield rotation. Jobe, Hocking, Stanton, Goddard, Zach Merrett, Colyer and Heppell are walk up starts which leaves guys like Myers, Howlett, J Merrett and Laverde looking over their shoulders you’d think.
Francis will have a few guys worried but I think the guys with the most concerns will be Marty Gleeson and Tayter. He won’t displace Hurley, Hibberd, Hooker or Baguley but those last two spots in the back six are really up for grabs. Mitch Brown places added pressure on Gwilt and Hartley will be a guy who’s nipping at the heels as well.
Up forward Joey is pretty safe but we have five roles to fill around him. Ambrose probably gets first crack at the third forward role and McKernan, Hooker or TBC will be the second tall. Dempsey, Shredwards, Cooney, Langford and Merrett are some of the guys who have played up there but none have really staked a claim for a walk up start. This is probably the weakest part of our team but unless they are planning on trying Francis on a flank I don’t see any of the new draftees putting a great deal of pressure on in their first year. Mitch Brown has shown he can play forward and the SA boy might play a couple of games. Yestin, you’d think, would have a fair bit of work to do but might come in for a cameo.
I really don’t know what that rd 1 forward line looks like tbh, still don’t know where we are getting our goals from outside of JD.
Ruck depth pretty much hasn’t changed, TBC, McKernan and Luenberger are all talented but also all have their weaknesses / durability concerns.
Who do you think will be sweating the most?
that David Zaharakis did even rate a mention in your list tells you exactly who parish will be putting pressure on. Don’t really see why cooney would be getting games either unless he is in irresistible form and Dempsey will likewise have to have an outstanding preseason to push past laverde, lanford, fanta in my eyes.
Bird and Berger also should be mentioned in this conversation. Tbell and howlett most directly in the gun for those two.
francis just starts at 3rd tall, get games into him. Gwilt is ■■■■■■ good insurance
my rd 1 team probably looks something like this right now
bags hurls francis
hibb hooker gleesonstanton hepp laverde
berger hocking zerretcolyer smack langford
jobe JD BirdBJ Myers fanta ???(toss a coin - zaka, coon, demps, parish, edwards, ambrose, mckenna, howlett)
Yeah good call… Zaka is a shadow of the player he was in the early part of the decade.
He’s had 1 ■■■■ year (along with about 25 mates last year… I might add). Still can’t see where people are sticking the pin in, I think people forget just how good his skills are, he’s a great mark for his size, good kick and he’s super creative and damaging.
That said, I’d be looking at him for forward line. His defensive pressure, while it can get shown up in midfield, is decent enough with the lower work rate required in the forward line.thats pretty much why
low work rate and goes missing for games at a time
he is damaging, he does have great skills, just dont see them used enough
i agree with the move to the forwardline, however