I don’t think that’s crazy. In 2019 Lions traded 16 for 29 and Port’s future first rounder, with some fluffy late picks on both sides, that would be around the same value.
In fact, same year Carlton traded pick 11 with 62 for 17 and 22. Admittedly that was a draft night trade, but still shows that there is evidence of picks being valued around the same area.
Ye thats possible then, this draft is supposed to be pretty similar from 10-20 though so it might not have the same value. We would be relying on someone sliding and someone really wanting that player.
Yeah there’s no certainty to any of it - but I think a later teens pick and one in the 20s is probably fair value for 11, and probably how late in the teens and 20s depends on things like the draft depth and whether a club is really keen on a certain player.
The reason Treloar was traded was for so little was because Collingwood has no leverage come trade time. Not sure why you can’t understand that
All I’m saying is McCrartney had similar lack of leverage come trade time given it was publicly known, like Treloar, that Stringers team told him he wasn’t welcome
I’ve also pointed out that Treloar had no off field issues and had better form in the seasons prior to getting traded. That would suggest that his absolute trade value was higher than Stringers, ignoring the fact they were both booted out of their clubs
Everyone looks at the best players that get picked in the second round, as though that’s always what you get. Average career for pick 21-30 is 85 games. If a player is still young and is best 22 they are worth a second rounder IMO.
Agree. That’s why I would’ve liked us to get in on a trade with a club chasing NGA or FS points. Gives all the speculation over what picks are worth some context.
As I pointed out earlier… in the same trade period to Shiel being traded, GWS also traded Lobb, Scully & Setterfield. All 3 of these players were traded for very little.
For some reason (I have a fair idea why) McCartney wanted to hold us over a barrel for the Shiel trade.
Even neutral Media commentators were commenting about the fact GWS decided to play hardball on Shiel, while letting the others go for under their value.
Yeah I reckon we probably knocked on a few doors and maybe couldn’t get any traction. To be fair we only have two later picks when some clubs had more than that, so we might have been off the pace right from the start. Who knows,
I actually rate Bobby hill and watch gws the most second only to essendon, but that being said, this trade is old essendon and not the strategy of last season of finding diamonds in the rough at low cost that served us so well.
Where all just enjoying trade week, noones over invested in anything, its just a fun chat…
We traded two second round picks for Caldwell last year. And we don’t know how much Hill is going to cost yet. We might get him for a 3rd and he makes an AA team next year. Then it will be an absolute bargain.
Too much of a generalisation. Picks and a player’s worth should only be relevant to the quality of the relevant draft. A second round pick one year can be worth SFA compared to any other year.
Surely that depends on what we cough up?
So essendon should only trade for diamonds in the rough?
I think the old strategy was giving up 1st rounders for mid 20’s players.
Not sure why trading fair value for a 21yo to fill a need is “old essendon”?
I would like to trade for Bobby Hill using a future 2nd rounder.
Not unpopular with me at all. Every GWS game I’ve watched he’s never really been a player thats stood out to me and always thought of him as a ‘nothing average’ player. Won’t be upset at all if we missed out on both of them. If I really had to pick one of them it would be Stengle for the simple fact he’d cost us nothing, so essentially a free hit.
If it’s for a third rounder it’s worth it but i guarantee it won’t be enough. He is a good little footballer and a point of difference at gws who aren’t stacked with small and quick forward pockets.
The point still stands - a bargain is a bargain based on what happens after the trade happens. If Hill is a gun then he could be a bargain for a second rounder.
We got Wright and Hind as diamond in the rough pickups but we also grabbed Caldwell last year. I get your point but its a balance.
