Not surprising you try to get personal instead of backing up your original claim.
There’s a very long way between “quickly becoming the most irrelevant stat” and acknowledging that there’s obvious nuance around quality.
(It’s quality over quantity btw, probably want to get that correct when you’re trying to attack someone else’s intelligence).
How many more BOG’s does Tsatas have to peel off in the VFL before he gets an extended run in the seniors? Or are we going to continue with this 1 game here, dropped, held over etc nonsense.
He tears the house down all the fcking time in the VFL. We know he has deficiencies at AFL level, give him a fcking block of games in the seniors and let’s see how he progresses.
what i’m noticing is that when he thinks he has a play on the ball he attacks it very hard. when he doesn’t he has a tendency to sag off and let his man go to the contest.
this sometimes means he’s available to receive a first possession but more often it results with the opposition gaining a number advantage inside the contest and winning it forward
Just play him already. If they aren’t playing him because of deficiencies then put everyone in the same set of standards and we won’t have a team. Just tell him to focus on his strengths and give him a sustained run. I remember Reid getting potted early in the season and saw him get run down or almost run down 3 or 4 possessions in a row in one game and now that he’s used to the pace he looks composed almost all the time. All this sub, then VFL, then AFL switching gives him no chance to get used to the pace, to his teammates, to anything really. Just play him for the rest of the season!!!
Just as if you win it and either cough it up or turn it over.
Trying to give some context as to why an individual player doesn’t get picked over another is far from being critical for the sake of it. People need to get a grip.
He is a first possession midfielder who dominates clearances but you need more than that to have a successful AFL career. Professional coaches will be guiding him to develop and when he has done enough to show he can contribute across more than just clearance he will get more games.
Keep playing him in the twos, letting him rack it up, building his confidence and his tank.
Let him do a mini preseason block and then let him go.
I agree he needs to add onto what he does, but he has elite traits and it’s something we should be developing in the afl and helping him build those other aspects.
He is head and shoulders the best clearance player we have if he played for any other team he would be playing weekly
I don’t agree he would play in other teams weekly.
There are plenty of High draft picks which have been sent back to the VFL to work on weaknesses.
Realistically he’s being kept out by…
Setterfield - picked because of his defensive work
Shiel - line breaking and ball carrying ability
Hobbs - forward craft albeit I’d prefer we play a genuine small forward.
We already have too many pure mids so adding another who doesn’t have another string to their bow isn’t ideal.
Hobbs isn’t playing midfield so he isn’t keeping him out it’s sheil and setterfield and honestly Shiel offers so much less, and setterfield is a b grader at best.
We are prioritising wins now over future by playing those two guys.
The whole setterfield is in because he is defensive is laughable because that’s the role he has been given when he didn’t play as a tagger he did stuff all and only got two tackles
It’s so awkward watching people dig in and shift the goal posts to maintain their entrenched view on this guy.
Good on him today, wrapped for him.
I don’t see the problem with letting him build in the two’s for a decent period. Get his fitness right up to speed and a gradual improvement with his foot skills.
Set him up for anther run in the league team in 5 or 6 weeks after running out games strongly in the two’s for a period.
He is too good at the clearance work not to support him getting the other key areas right. But 60% game time on the one’s ain’t the place to do it.
Everyone that wants him in the seniors just needs to chill out and stop putting the pressure on him, he just isn’t quite ready, but once his tank is built then you throw him in to sink it swim.
Either way, I’m happy with how he’s been handled and I’m happy that he goes back to the two’s and puts in a game like that. Well done to the young fella.
The discussion around Tsatas seems to highlight two ways of looking at development:
1 - young player x only gets a game if he is in best 22 in his position - this seems to be Brad Scott’s mentality.
2 - young player x shows at VFL that he has talent all be it raw. Unless there is guns holding him out of best 22, bring him in, at least for an extended run at it.
Now, I think the first way works if you’re a really good side with a mid range of ages players keeping him out. Fine, in such circumstances, develop in magoos until you get your shot.
BUT, if you are an average side at best, the players keeping you out are nearing the end and/or aren’t world beaters anyway, then you must pick the youngster.
In regards to Tsatas, he’s third year, not first, so you aren’t throwing him totally to wolves by bringing him in. And Shiel and Setterfield are no world beaters, far from it in fact.
Having said the above, many are arguing Shiel and Setterfield are better than Tsatas. Well, they should be (and in this case, if they are it’s marginal anyway) but that’s not the point. When you are an average side, you must have an eye on the future. Tsatas is too good for VFL and playing at that level will only hold him back. He needs to play against the best now. We sacrifice wins now (does playing Shiel or Setters really make the difference anyway) for future wins when it matters. That’s the way to develop a player with talent and a team.
Will he fark up? Of course, he’s played a dozen ad hoc AFL games. Will his weaknesses be shown up? Sure, if the opposition are any good they will be trying to. But very few players are reliable/consistent inside their first 60 or so games.
We won’t know what we have until we give him a run at it. Will he make it? Don’t know, but what we are doing now is a deadset waste of time.
As Sheedy used to say get them to 50 games ASAP. At this rate he’ll take 6 years!!
@Tbone and I are bullish that in 2029, when he gets past the 25 AFL game mark, we’ll start to really give him consecutive games and see him come on.
The coach will be two years into a five year extension granted for stability reasons
It’s genuinely panic inducing knowing we have a guy with talent like this rolling around in the 2s putting up these performances and we refuse to play him. He is going to walk at the end of the year and it’ll be Brad’s fault.
And I see his detractors have moved on from “it’s totally reasonable to drop him” to “but he didn’t beat much” and “so it’s becoming apparent he’s one of those ‘too good for VFL, not good enough for AFL’ players”. Before the kid has had his 21st birthday!
You people make me fkn sick. Fk off.
If Sheil has kept Tastas out of the side this week, then Tsatas has been protected from the sub role and given a full game in the VFL in which he has dominated.
After missing game time it actually looks like a good decision.
He will be available for selection next week with good form and a boost in confidence.
Going to be interesting what happens given the VFL have a bye next week
Cutler wasn’t as good at VFL level as Tsatas is.