To the same age, Lloyd had played 36 matches, already kicked almost 90 goals, played in 2 finals series, kicked 8 in a match & a couple of other bags... not quite at the same level just yet, don't think people realise just how good Lloyd was, even as a teenager.And seriously he has played f all. Signs he will match Lloyd so far equal zero.
he will never be as good a set shot.
I think he'll be as good as Lloyd, eventually. Already showing signs.
Which is odd, because Sydney have been absolutely balls with most of their drafting, particularly early picks.sam mitchel is 31 and a half and showing no signs of reduced output. Watson, stanton and goddard have all been very durable players and none are what i would call bash and crash type players. they are all very intelligent footballers. I think it is reasonable to expect at least 3 good to very good years out of them and possible 4.
Disagree, while it'll be a shame those blokes (ie Jobe, Goddard, Chappy, Winderlich, Stants etc...) we'll have other guys coming into their prime (Heppell, Zaka, Hurley, Carlisle, T-Bell).
We have this year or next to get a flag I reckon. After that we either lose a number of really important players or at the very least their best is behind them. It's a big ask unfortunately.I think you are being harsh on a 2m tall 19 year old. I think he's surprisingly strong and stable in the air for a person of his size and age.While Joe was impressive last night I still saw enough to suggest that he still doesn't quite have the strength to hold his body position in the contest. A quality that the real elite forwards have. He will be of most value when the ball is put in the air in front of him and he can get a free run and jump at it. If the kick coming in makes him stop and prop, or push back on his defender he will not be as comparatively good as other key forwards around the league.
But as Bomber said, they just have to play him and that will come.Agree, but I think we may be seeing a just formed forward line with Buckets and Joe as the KPFs, as the Lloyd and Lucas for the next generation. Pretty good foundations for a Flag tilt. Throw in Licka and Chappy, and rotate our mids through the other forward positions and I reckon we've got it licked..... But it just means for those thinking we are in our premiership window right now I would be very pleasantly surprised if we could achieve this with an underdeveloped Joe, a re-cast CHF (Carlisle) and a FB trying to regain his mojo (Hurley). And TBell's absence and expected time to get back up to full condition makes things harder.
Our Midfield options look as good as they have looked for a long time though and this alone will make us competitive in every game we play.
think we're primed for a run at the flag for the next 5 years.
in that time i would expect of the current nominal best 22 we will have to replace fletch, licha, chappy and dempsey ( that might surprise some but has always been injury prone and he will be 27 by years end, hope i'm wrong but think we will see increasingly less of him over the next 3 years).
fletch - we have a few options, pears rediscovers his confidence and starts backing himself in one on one, tbell becomes a genuine fwd and we move carlisle back again, gregory comes on.
licha and chappy - both the merrets have shown enough to suggest they will be adequate replacements over the coming years, and you have the option of playing goddard as a more permanent fwd.
dempsey - they need time but i would hope that (i think we have seen enough to be reasonably confident) one of ashby, gleason, edwars pr dalgliesh will play his role very well.
i think this side has 3 to 4 years to do something taking into account the development of hepp, zaha and melk (hopefully kav and maybe browne too) in the midfiled and hurls, carlisle, daniher and tbell as key talls, the slow decline of stanton watson and goddard and the replacement of the other players mentioned above.
am i being overly optimistic to think we are genuine shot at it this year or next with daniher and carlisle still so raw as key forwards? perhaps and no doubt we will need a bit of luck along the way with injury (we actually probably had our best year in living memory for injuries last year with a healthy majority of our key players playing around 80% of games).
i think are ability to win a flag is going to be more tightly governed by the debelopment of GC and GWS (and even syndey, the young midfielders they had on display last night look set to create another menacing team).
just on sydney, and completely off topic here, but they really do seem to have a focus on drafting strong bodied footballers ahead of athletes . mitchell, parker, cunningham and towers (a bit older) all just seem to afl bodies right out of the box. are youngsters (jerrett, kav, ashby, gleeson) don't compare well.
Haven't got more than 20 games out of any of their 1st picks before Mitchell (a gimme F/s pick) dating back a long way, to Jarred Moore.
I really think we will need a lot of luck forward. Midfield is top 6 if not top 4 quality and backline is very strong (pending how we deal with Carlisle/Hurley swap).
I feel we're going to need to work a lot harder for uncontested ball, forward. CF hawks, hit-up to hit-up to hit-up to goal, opposition never within 5m of the ball. Their whole HB/mid/fwd setup on the same page, same mindset, all happy to lead & get ignored & go again; very hard to defend.
We've been particularly bad at doing this, often leading to situations where the only options on were Hurley vs 2 in a pocket, or any one of a number of smalls with their man on their ringer.
More fluency in ball movement forward hopefully lets the fwds time their leads a bit better and get some space. And hopefully some direction from Chap/Winders (hopefully we can keep at least 1 on the park all year) coaching the less experienced guys through the situations can't hurt. Have to think Chappy is there with at least one eye on coaching in future.
Looks like it's a mental thing with his kicking. Technically he looks sound enough, Hibbo on SEN this week said he puts them through no worries at training. He might just tense up in a game, after having some inaccurate games last year, he might be putting too much pressure on himself. He needs a solid routine, relax, and he will be OK. He may never be Lloyd accurate, but there wouldn't be too many players in the history of the game that were...
FFS people, he's a kid. Assess his kicking in a couple of years time. Give him a bit of time to hit the standard expected of the pros.
Sick of agreeing with you cause it looks like I'm just sucking up to the mod... JD is what, 19? ■■■■■■ hell. Nick Reiwoldt is considered one of the best power forwards around (and rightfully so). How many games did he lose off his set goal kicking, back in the prime of his career?
In reality, this is going to be JD's first season. I agree with 'boot - come back in 2 years time, and if it's still bad, then we complain.
Looks like it's a mental thing with his kicking. Technically he looks sound enough, Hibbo on SEN this week said he puts them through no worries at training. He might just tense up in a game, after having some inaccurate games last year, he might be putting too much pressure on himself. He needs a solid routine, relax, and he will be OK. He may never be Lloyd accurate, but there wouldn't be too many players in the history of the game that were...
FFS people, he's a kid. Assess his kicking in a couple of years time. Give him a bit of time to hit the standard expected of the pros.
Sick of agreeing with you cause it looks like I'm just sucking up to the mod... JD is what, 19? ■■■■■■ hell. Nick Reiwoldt is considered one of the best power forwards around (and rightfully so). How many games did he lose off his set goal kicking, back in the prime of his career?
In reality, this is going to be JD's first season. I agree with 'boot - come back in 2 years time, and if it's still bad, then we complain.
Actually, in reality this will be his 2nd season. But other than that, i agree with both of you.
Looks like it's a mental thing with his kicking. Technically he looks sound enough, Hibbo on SEN this week said he puts them through no worries at training. He might just tense up in a game, after having some inaccurate games last year, he might be putting too much pressure on himself. He needs a solid routine, relax, and he will be OK. He may never be Lloyd accurate, but there wouldn't be too many players in the history of the game that were...
FFS people, he's a kid. Assess his kicking in a couple of years time. Give him a bit of time to hit the standard expected of the pros.
Sick of agreeing with you cause it looks like I'm just sucking up to the mod... JD is what, 19? ■■■■■■ hell. Nick Reiwoldt is considered one of the best power forwards around (and rightfully so). How many games did he lose off his set goal kicking, back in the prime of his career?
In reality, this is going to be JD's first season. I agree with 'boot - come back in 2 years time, and if it's still bad, then we complain.
Actually, in reality this will be his 2nd season. But other than that, i agree with both of you.
Gimme a break you know what I mean. Technically it's his second, but... :)
All this negativity.
GET ROUND HIM HES GOING TO BE MASSIVE AND KICK MANY GOAL!
Im finding it very hard to contain my excitement about him right now.
Im finding it very hard to contain my excitement about him right now.
It's all cool until said feelings show.
Bog for us v port for the first 3 qtr.
He got tripled team already and it’s only the preseason lol. Was clearly beating his man 1on1.
Joe kick many goal, as long as player kick him ball well.
Joe kick many goal, as long as player kick him ball well.
thanks guru bob
JOE DAN
Article on the inevitable comparison of Joe with the Big Fish, with quotes from Salmon, Madden and Sheedy.
Dons’ new Big Fish
March 1, 2014 - 9:39AM
Michael Gleeson
Sports Writer for The Age
To ruck or not to ruck? That’s one of the questions for Joe Daniher, who is already drawing comparisons with a Bomber great.
The new kid: Joe Daniher is impressing good judges.
Paul Salmon sees it and, self-deprecatingly, says he is flattered. Simon Madden is struck by it and Kevin Sheedy smiles from afar at the deja vu.
Joe Daniher is a father-son to Essendon, but the similarities in his game better resemble a teammate of his dad’s. Daniher strikingly resembles the man known as “Fish”.
It is not only the similar height and build that puts those who witnessed Salmon’s arrival at Essendon in mind of the resemblance. It is the way he moves, the way he leads and marks the ball at his highest point.
Can Daniher match the feats of another Bomber giant, Paul Salmon?
Already in the opening NAB Challenge games, Daniher has been not only the team’s focal point but the player to whom every eye excitedly turns.
“I do see it, of course you see the similarity,” Sheedy said.
Salmon is more sheepish and reluctant to intrude on or, perhaps, burden Daniher’s emergence. “It’s always dangerous to try and compare players, but in a broad sense I am happy, being an old teammate of Anthony’s, his dad’s, so from that perspective I am excited for Joe,” Salmon said. “I am not sure it is flattering for him to get compared to me, but I understand why it happens.”
Madden, the rucking master to Salmon apprentice, said the resemblance was uncanny.
“It is the height, of course [Daniher is 201 centimetres, Salmon was 206 centimetres] but it’s the build – he is tall and slender like Paul, he is putting on weight in the gym of course, but he is not one of those heavy, tall players, he is a left-footer, Paul was a right, but he is a raking kick like Fish.
“Joe, even before he was drafted people knew he had the size, speed and leap and good hands, the way he grabs the ball and times his mark.”
Salmon played 324 games – 100 of them at Hawthorn – across 19 seasons. He began as a forward due to Madden being there ahead of him. Madden was first ruck for the team, the state, and one of the best, if not the best, ruckmen to have played the game.
Salmon was leading the goalkicking when he wrecked his knee halfway through a season. When he returned he was less mobile and while he still rotated forward, he was increasingly in the ruck.
Which raises the question of where Daniher will be best played. The injury to Tom Bellchambers might draw him into the ruck more this season.
“He has a few weapons, he is good at ground level and you always like to see that with a big guy, and he will grow into his rucking with opportunities,” Salmon said.
Sheedy said the issue was in striking the right balance for the individual and the team, and that flexibility was key, noting that he played Dustin Fletcher in the ruck in his first game before he made a career at full-back.
“Unfortunately for Paul, when he arrived we had the awkward situation of Simon Madden in the team, so that was always going to be a problem for him in the ruck,” Sheedy said. “For Joe, will he be a ruckman at some stage? I don’t know, but from his lead out at the ball, he looks like he is capable, so you would be hoping at some stage he does. ‘Bomber’ [Mark Thompson] is an experienced coach and a lot of it depends on Paddy [Ryder] and Bellchambers. He has seen that probably with Tom Hawkins, another father-son, and it probably took him to the fourth or fifth year to get it right.”
Madden said that while he was the incumbent when Salmon arrived – though he said Salmon playing forward was more about his ability to kick goals than him being in his way in the ruck – he also began in the game as a forward and second ruck. “I had the luxury of being second ruck to Graham Moss, so I was sitting in a forward pocket in my early years, spending five or 10 minutes a quarter in the ruck, and you did an apprenticeship that way, which was lovely.
“If Tom [Bellchambers] was in the ruck, there would be less pressure on Joe to ruck. It’s a funny one . . . the more you ruck, the better you will be at it, but the more you ruck, the more likely you are to get injured.
“At some stage he is going to ruck. He had a few stints last year, and our coaching group will know when the right time is for him to ruck and how much time he should take there. But if you are 6’ 6”, 6’ 7”, 6’ 8”, you are going to ruck at some stage.”
Whether in the goal square or the centre square, Essendon has clearly landed another Big Fish.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-new-big-fish-20140228-33rn2.html#ixzz2ufe2USqr
Well, they got that story right at least.
Incredible love from the Age foe the EFC right now - this article, the Hird article, the Andrew Lovett article.
Wonder why that is?
Done some number crunching. Joe kick 43 goal.
LANDED A BIG FISH.
35-40
how many goal Joe kick?
how many goal Joe kick?
He jump berry high and run berry quick.
How many goal Joe kick?
Enuf to beat carlton !