#6 Joe Daniher - drank a beer

Seemed like in Hawks game if he had held onto 4-5 more marks he got a good grab on he would have been close to bog. Not far off. And as i wrote in review of that game, it is more a matter of getting stronger. Lactic acid build up in players running a lot to get mark takes its toll on accuracy, so says Richo while excusing Roo and Cloke.

 

As season progresses his kicking will improve. Probably over kicking it, esp long range - he had shot from 50 and kick went 65 and sprayed it. Once he knows his body better he will kick those 55-60 and be more accurate.

 

Timing of leads takes time to learn, Hurly didn't manage that in two years forward. And also Bomber's thing of people being able to rely on what teammates are gonna do will kick in soon which hill help. 


Lets all be honest, there is an issue with Joe's kicking. Just like there was with Hurley's, yet everyone refused to see it.
Hopefully he will improve over time, there's no reason he can't. But there is still an issue at the moment.

At 7 or 8 games, Hurley's kicking was mint.
He's still got a pretty good, straight action, and still a very very good field kick, but after 2011 he really started to feel the weight of the world (team) on his shoulders & that showed in his set shot. I wouldn't be surprised if, now they've taken that burden off him, he starts to hit the shots he does have a lot more accurately like he did prior to 2011.
Joe looks a bit all over the shop, he looks nervy. And at the height he's dropping it from there's a lot more that can go wrong.
I don't know if Hurley is technically better than Joe. Hurley releases the ball with both hands, which is very rare to see with AFL footballers, and means his ball drop is higher. Often people will release with both hands on their wrong side. Really, Hurley is quite an effective field kick despite this flaw.
I think Daniher has a more classical action than Hurley, but is a bit nervy. His kicking from outside 40 looks a lot more competent than from close. When he pokes at it from close, then when we see the big shanks. Anthony Daniher was one of the best kicks I've seen in red and black. Obviously Joe isn't as good a kick as his Dad, but I reckon he has got sound fundamentals, and will improve over time.
You may be right. Definitely think it's not time to be jumping up and down...yet. kids that tall aren't meant to be getting a run yet. Hell of a lot of development to come, he's closer to the mark physically than we thought but he's not playing mature footy yet.

Question should be, will he kick more goals than behinds?

Overgrown kid still trying to find his feet against men.

 

Having said that, he will kick 7 this week and prove he is now in fact a man.

JOEDAN ON THE G!

danihers / watsons / fletchers / hirds ..... it's a beautiful thing!!!

 

also appreciate the fact that certain people in the media haven't breed! #justsayin'

Lets all be honest, there is an issue with Joe's kicking. Just like there was with Hurley's, yet everyone refused to see it.
Hopefully he will improve over time, there's no reason he can't. But there is still an issue at the moment.

I think people are unnecessarily panicking. Kicked two goals straight against North.
Sprayed one out on the full. Not two straight.
*sigh*

Why are you so reluctant to admit its an issue? Huge shank no big deal? He has missed truckloads.
I'm not saying it won't get better or even that he can't end up a good kick but to just say there's nothing to worry about is blind.

i reasonably confident in him if he has it in the corridor within 40 meters now. i couldn't say that last year.

Training to kick it straight
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		April 3, 2014
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 I cannot believe how farcical set-shot goalkicking has become at AFL level. Here we are in 2014 and every AFL-listed player is a full-time footballer, yet set shot accuracy across the AFL competition is at an all-time low. Call me old-fashioned, but sports science has a lot to answer for on this trend. The fans shouldn‘t have to keep accepting these horrendous misses from their highly paid players.

Since 2008 inaccuracy has cost four grand final teams premiership glory. Poor kicking for goal cost Geelong in 2008, St Kilda in 2009, Hawthorn in 2012 and Fremantle last year. All four teams created enough chances to win the game, yet they choked in front of goal. It is soul-destroying just thinking about it.

What really frustrates me with the modern game is that a player could tell you his skinfolds, his speed over 20 metres, his 3km time-trial results, yet I never hear their goalkicking strike rate at training so we can judge that against how they are kicking in a game.

Players now have limited kicks during the week to avoid over-use injuries and to recover adequately from the previous game.

In my time any player who was serious about their goalkicking craft would look to have 80 to 100 shots a week. I felt like a part of me was missing on match day if I hadn‘t put in the work during the week due to injury or illness. In and around the standard team training sessions I always would have a 30-shot competition with seven or eight regulars on a Tuesday. Then I would meet Scott Lucas on our day off and have another 40 shots.

The pressure we would put on each other was enormous. It got to the point where I felt more pressure during those sessions than I did on match day.

I was also big on kicking under fatigue at training to match the game- day intensity. I would ask our forward line coach Mark Harvey to work me over physically with repetitive leads, contested marking, and repetitive sprints, and then take shots afterwards to replicate how I would be feeling in a game. This preparation, along with the repetition of the standard shots, had me and many of my teammates feeling extremely confident that we were going to kick a lot more than we missed come match day. Like anything, we had the belief because we had done the work. I don‘t believe players can say that now.

I am so frustrated that everything else seems to take precedence these days over good, old-fashioned goalkicking practice. Players have everything monitored to the minute, and that data tells them that extra goalkicking would be detrimental to their overall wellbeing. What a load of rubbish.

I can‘t recall seeing any teammate suffer an injury as a result of putting in the extras on their goalkicking. As a result, we just continue to accept mediocrity in this area.

The fitness gurus should earn their money by attuning players‘ bodies to be able to cope with the 80 controlled shots at goal a week. If that can‘t be done, take John Butcher, Joe Daniher, Travis Cloke, Nathan Fyfe and Dale Thomas, just to name a few, out of other components of training to allow them to work at the part of their game that continually lets them and their team down.

It angered me to read six weeks ago that, under a new training regime at Collingwood this year, Travis Cloke sought a guarantee from Nathan Buckley that he would allow him the adequate amount of shots that he requires at training, as he had felt that he never got that in previous years.How ridiculous is that?

I was never told at any stage of my career that I couldn‘t take the amount of shots that I felt I needed. It‘s time that today‘s players took a stand too, because some of them are not far off kicking themselves out of a career. Lindsay Thomas is the perfect example of how things can be turned around and John Butcher is at the crossroads now.

There is no doubting that players are covering more territory now and forwards are having to push higher up the ground to help defend, but that doesn‘t excuse just how bad things have become. Highly-skilled players are 20 metres out, directly in front and missing, yet every player has 30 seconds to settle themselves. So to me fatigue is a cop-out on most occasions. They just don‘t practise enough, and if they do they practise poorly. So most of the misses are due to a lack of preparation, technique and mental weakness.

In the competitive AFL environment this is one major area of the game that is still not taken seriously enough by clubs and players themselves. High-altitude camps are all the rage these days, yet wouldn‘t it be nice if a club invested all its energies into how it can kick at 70 per cent for goal instead of the competition average low of 60 per cent.

Hawthorn has taken the field-kicking game to heights not seen before, but it is yet to transfer into set- shot goalkicking with Buddy Franklin, David Hale and Luke Breust having poor accuracy conversions last season.

Collingwood has employed ex-Lion and Hawk Nathan Chapman as its kicking coach because it has ranked 17th for set-shot conversion over the past three years. Only Carlton has been worse, but unless some power is taken away from sports science and given back to the art of kicking for goal Chapman will find it difficult to see a shift in momentum.

Achieving a positive change in a player‘s routine can take months, so he will need time. The off-season is the ideal time to break down bad habits of any individual. The moment a player is under pressure in a match they will go back to what they have done previously if their routine hasn‘t been rehearsed hundreds of times at training.

A coach will never drag a player for missing a shot at goal, and nor they should because we all know the player didn‘t mean it, but wouldn‘t it be nice to know that every player had left no stone unturned on the training track.

Unfortunately, that couldn‘t be any further from the truth when it comes to the all-important skill of goalkicking.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/training-to-kick-it-straight-20140405-zqqel.html#ixzz2y3ZkRDBc

 

 

1. Lloydy is obviously a closet blitzer. 

 

2. Seems one of the greatest goalkickers of all time thinks JD's kicking is poor. 

How many behind Joe kick?

I’d love to see him stomp on Carlton with a nice bag of 4. If he ever puts everything together, he’ll have at least 5 shots on goal most games.


 

2. Seems one of the greatest goalkickers of all time thinks JD's kicking is poor. 

 

It is. But he's just a kid. It will be much, much better in a couple of years time.

Needs to stop throwing the pill around like a hot potato whilst walking in to take his shot

WOB you are need in the team vs the scum thread immediately.

Joe come out firing and kick 6.

4 V Blues

How many behind Joe kick?


He would kick more behinds if he kicked fewer behinds.

Should've hoofed it after two running bounces down the wing. Bud-like.

Should've hoofed it after two running bounces down the wing. Bud-like.

I thought much the same. Then he went Anti-Bud.

 

 

 

 

Lets all be honest, there is an issue with Joe's kicking. Just like there was with Hurley's, yet everyone refused to see it.
Hopefully he will improve over time, there's no reason he can't. But there is still an issue at the moment.

I think people are unnecessarily panicking. Kicked two goals straight against North.
Sprayed one out on the full. Not two straight.
*sigh*

Why are you so reluctant to admit its an issue? Huge shank no big deal? He has missed truckloads.
I'm not saying it won't get better or even that he can't end up a good kick but to just say there's nothing to worry about is blind.

 

I don't feel justified pointing to technique as an issue after he's played 8 games.  There are so many other things early on in his career that could be a factor; confidence and fitness to name two.

 

If he was marking the ball 30m in front of goal and spraying them badly after 30 games then I'd start to worry.  For now, I'm just going to just enjoy watching this kid run around for us and be glad about the future.

 

People need to cut him a bit of a break.  That goes for Lloydy too.

 

 

 

 

 

Lets all be honest, there is an issue with Joe's kicking. Just like there was with Hurley's, yet everyone refused to see it.
Hopefully he will improve over time, there's no reason he can't. But there is still an issue at the moment.

I think people are unnecessarily panicking. Kicked two goals straight against North.
Sprayed one out on the full. Not two straight.
*sigh*

Why are you so reluctant to admit its an issue? Huge shank no big deal? He has missed truckloads.
I'm not saying it won't get better or even that he can't end up a good kick but to just say there's nothing to worry about is blind.

 

I don't feel justified pointing to technique as an issue after he's played 8 games.  There are so many other things early on in his career that could be a factor; confidence and fitness to name two.

 

If he was marking the ball 30m in front of goal and spraying them badly after 30 games then I'd start to worry.  For now, I'm just going to just enjoy watching this kid run around for us and be glad about the future.

 

People need to cut him a bit of a break.  That goes for Lloydy too.

 

Yep. The only shortcomings I can see in Joe will all disappear in time. He is still nowhere near strong enough, his kicking can be erratic, and he still makes some dumb kid decsions. But f me he is an amazing talent that we are very fortunate to have. Cut the kid some slack and give him time to develop.