#6 The Joe Dan Thread - the bit between Diggers trolling us and THE RETURN

Thats the thumbs up when your mate asks if you want one for the road after your missus thinks you’ve already had it and is jangling the car keys.

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JoeDan’s Ireland based groin specialist has been doing the rounds on radio this morning explaining their groin specialty program. Doesnt get too specific about Joe though, but seems like its a routine check up.

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And on Triple MMM

Fixed

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Average of 9wks he says to get players back ok from 400 cases. Very confident he can get it done when they find the biomechanical issue specific to player via the imaging they do.

Here’s fkn hoping

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informative and addresses key aspects of what’s being done with Joey and this Dublin dude.

Joes days playing CHF, trying to hoof the ball 80 metres and all of that dynamic turning might be gone. If we play him out of the square like West Coast do with Josh Kennedy, rather than playing him like Buddy it should reduce the stresses on his hips.
At 32 , Buddies body is breaking down, Josh Kennedy 's body is holding up better, at the cost of about 0.5 goals per game ( 2.5 vs 3.0). Just saying.

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Again club saying nothing about an injured player.

Tim is right we haven’t heard anything from the club about Joe’s trip back to Ireland to see the groin doctor be nice if the club could tell us where he’s at

Joe has the unfortunate habit of throwing his body forward at every opportunity with any slight contact.

Playing out of the square might be a problem.

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patience - he’ll get back and they’ll have a vague but promising video or story.

Besides, maybe the Groin Doctor’s media round is part of the club rolling out an update

But is this a new thing they are doing now? Or have done in the past?

It would be new IMO

Under advice from whichever doctors they consulted previously he had surgery. Which hadn’t responded as hoped. So then looked at alternatives which is how meeting up with Dr. AFM came about.

Appears the latter does not opt for surgical approaches to his treatment of athletes.

yep- they use an exercise based rehabilitation program.

this is a link to one of their recent papers showing the exercise based rehab (has pictures).

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/52/16/1054.full.pdf

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I just opened that… only because you said it has pictures.
They’re not nino quality pictures though so I quickly closed it

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You mean:
Stage 1: As good as Darcy Daniher.
Full stop.

I know @Finding_Nino wants to keep this quiet, but I think he needs to be given due credit.
The fact is… nino does freelancing as a graphics artist.

What happens is that he provides the guts of the artwork and then the publishers will tweak the image a tad so it meets the journal specs.
I managed to source an example of this. See below figure 3 from the article

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At least now I know why he’s called knee-no

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Identifying a biomechanical issue(s) is one thing, getting Joe to correct it is another. We’ve seen how getting Joe to adjust his kicking action has worked. Indeed i suspect the kicking action is a big part of the problem.

The other question is what kinda of player will joe be if the issue is corrected. Will it comprise his leap, his speed, his kicking?

I reckon the chance of ever seeing Joe having the kind of impact he did in 2017 again is very low.

What if correcting the biomechanical issue(s) and strengthening the appropriate muscles needed to correct that means that he doesn’t suffer from tiny muscular balance issues at key times. If he maintains his hip balance when kicking for goal, rather than sliding his hips to the side, or if he maintains his posture and height better when jumping, allowing him to take the ball truly at its highest point. Or if he gets stronger in body in body contact, or he gets more balanced when turning through traffic.

I don’t see any downside to getting the biomechanics right. They will help him be stronger, more efficient and less injury prone. Sometimes in sport the absolute best of the best kids have got away with sloppiness growing up, because they were so much better than everyone else. They don’t need to maximise every ounce of their talents, and the coaches they work with are so happy to have a talent that they don’t want to do anything to fk it up. But they actually need to get it right to reach their potential. We see it all the time with big fast bowlers, who have got by with dubious mechanics because they’re getting wickets, and people don’t want to change them, until they miss 3 years of their prime. We also see it with golfers who hit the ball miles but have a small weakness in their technique and need to rebuild from the very beginning.

If they rebuild Joe right he could easily be better, understand his body better and be able to do things consistently better than he ever has before.

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Here’s a screen grab of the important picture- it’s got pictograms so Nino should be able to do something with it to make it more lifelike

It also indicates the key stages of recovery - so Blitz can sound technical when we take a guess at where Joe is at.

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