… and Caldwell and Draper.
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We looked good for a half week1 and got ahead of ourselves.
Played one of flag favourites week 2.
Drapers strike rate for wins is terrible, but every week he gets 1 game closer to a win.
Duplicate Rd.1 against Freo last year.
Make the defensive efforts repeatable, game after game, and he will become a very valuable member of the team.
We won’t shop him round to be traded.
Just won’t happen.
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If we could keep Merrett, trade Shiel for a late first round pick, and get Kelly as a FA, we would be a vastly better side IMO.
Kelly is silk but he is over rated for what we would have to pay him.
Can’t remember him standing up in any of their big Finals.
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Shiel still has plenty to offer us and we should keep him. He has high capacity although he does need to hit the scoreboard more, Having other inside mids around could be the jey to our getting better benefit from him as an outside mid.
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There is about as much likelihood of the club shipping Shiel off as there is of Cutler winning a Brownlow.
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I don’t agree. Shiel is one of the most dominant clearance players in the competition, particularly centre clearances. Sydney thrashed us in the middle without him. Shiel plays and we win that game.
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Precisely.
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Ivan’s point is “missing piece” is a silly concept to begin with, especially for a midfielder.
Shiel’d a very good player. He’s been a very good player for us. He’s just not the messiah, because nobody is: not even Judd (who’s a good two levels above Dyl Shiel)
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Or since Caldwell dropped out
Or since Draper dropped out
Or since… etc.
Or since 2MP moved to the ruck…
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How do you define “genuine value” ?
The trade has ultimately ended up as
Shiel
+
Irving Mosquito
+
2020 pick 44, burned as part of NGA bids)
+
Caldwell
For
Some guy called Rosman (Melbourne)
+
Miles Bergman (Port - looks good, but only 3 games)
+
2021 2nd rounder (now with Geelong, as part of Cameron deal)
Shiel’s certainly been better to date than everything we gave up.
Feel free to bump when Bergman +Rosman have 550 disposals + 110 clearances (between them) in a season.
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Or since Donington got banned.
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It’s an interesting interview. He sounds like an incredibly positive, well adjusted, level headed guy. Guys like that can be a really good calming influence in a group, not necessarily a demonstrative leader but certainly a valuable lieutenant.
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The trade, sure. But 6 years at $850k isn’t a small contract. Sure, it’s not the biggest contract in the league by a long way, but it’s the biggest this club has ever given.
I don’t think it’s a super huge point, but certainly it’s one point to consider when assessing Shiel’s overall return on investment.
Regardless of his trade value, he hasn’t delivered on his contract value, imo. Yet. I think he still can, and probably will.
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yeah i think that’s a fair question to ask.
That’s fair.
He hasn’t quite been worth 850k over the stretch.
His 2019 form, and the early parts of 2020, was not far off it. And reputedly 2 other clubs had 7 figures on the table for him.
If we were paying him 550k he’d be great value, IMHO. 850k seems over the odds. So what’s the magic number?
Ironically if we had been going better, the money would’ve been more of an issue. Guys leaving (and a smallish cohort heading into their peak years, due to saga ) has made cap mgmt pretty easy.
Yep, to be clear, we’ve had substantially bigger wastes of money than Shiel over the last 5 years.
Was just saying. He cost both draft picks and cap space. It was a substantial investment.
It was.
I don’t think there’s a clear, black and white answer as to whether it’s been a good investment yet.
So far he’s ahead of the kids we essentially gave up.
That may change.