The State by election should have given them cause for doubt. The big swing went to the Independents . It wasn’t all due to pre selection of a crap candidate
ALP learned its lesson and tailored its policies. The Libs didn’t.
No doubt Bacchus has done a check of the booths in Hawke. I was told that all the booths in Sunbury were a Labor win, compared to a mix at the last election.
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I was pretty confident before Saturday, and am absolutely certain now: voters discern between state and federal politics.
Using Werribee as an example for anything to guide strategy for a federal election would have been a fool’s errand.
Just like Jacinta Allan coming out and saying the federal results in Victoria endorse anything the state ALP is doing. It absolutely does not.
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Jacinta would be wise to not believe that. Albo’s win had nothing to do with the Victorian labor party
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Before this, Howard’s periods as treasurer ranked him something like worst and third worst ever. Fondly remembered by many LNP peeps purely because of the tailwind free kick that he threw away. Later cherry on top was Abbott repealing the MRRT - why would we want to make a cent out of giving away resources, when foreign owned miners can send the profits OS?
Good economic managers my arse.
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She doesn’t. What it did demonstrate was that the ALP as a Party is not on the nose in Victoria. Not in the west, not in the more Lib heartlands.
davethedon we could go on and on all day about facts like these but in the end rusted on cons who don’t vote and seem proud of it will just agree to disagree and waddle off condescendingly Etc etc
They’re ALL to blame. Both sides of political leaders over decades.
Ah, and that chestnut
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Sir Mapo, you just do not get it.
Chalmers and Albo had the opportunity to spend $billions more and past Labor Governments would have splurged greatly, but Chalmers and Gallagher are a new breed, fiscally responsible and tough enough to curb spending without a solid basis.
Swan and Rudd for example would have taken the opportunity to be expansive however much inflationary, but this Government held its nerve. Now in my view both sides were a tad irresponsible in election promises, but interest rates will fall in the next week, and housing construction will expand. Costs for building is an issue and finding workers a greater one, but house prices are not going to fall.
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Young Libs have never been representative of anyone except public school boys and girls.
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Bacchus probably has more insight on this, but I’ve heard that Labor had informed volunteers who were making phone calls and Knocking on doors……… instead of trying to convince voters who had already made up their mind on their first preference, that they consider putting Labor Second on the ballot.
That was a specific tactic for Labor.
The argument that it has to be build so just build it could apply to any number of infrastructure projects. Also just my opinion but the projected costs over such a long time frame are simple pie in the sky stuff. How can you possibly quote something 20 - 30 years from now. To many vested interests in this SRL gravy train.
That’s the 2022 results.
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If the loop was broken up into discrete projects with their own individual coatings and time-frames - ie the east portion, northern portion from broadmeadows to donny, and then the airport rail connection - do you think you’d feel better about the whole thing?
Reckon there is a flaw in that strategy. History of Australian Voters shows that you ignore your heartland at your peril. Nationals faced it years ago when they tried to broaden their base and move into semi-rural and major towns, and got trounced leading to Liberals and Independents and even Labor claiming Country seats. They now play to their strength very successfully.
Labor lost inner city and put working class areas at risk as well, and perhaps we are seeing the demise of Greens for similar reasons.
Facts are that the pressures on people are similar across most demographics. You win elections with good non-radical policies and good candidates, and having a hopeless opposition with poor strategy helps. Using a religious cult to be your frontline was a silly move. Lots of exposure but the wrong kind, and some of the antics demonstrated a lack of understanding of these areas.
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What Tony Burke said on the housing crisis. Both Parties dropped the ball of affordability of a roof over your head.
Not enough spent on social housing, to provide security for those who aren’t in a position to buy.
It doesn’t have to involve a return to Housing Commission towers or estates. Or fixed rents ( as compared to some sort of fair rent). There are many variations, including the public/private mix.
The Greens in the Senate could be helpful on getting it right.
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That’s a reasonable point. I was thinking more about finding a path to win back enough seats to form Government (i.e. making ground outside heartland areas), but you are right.
Results in seats like Aston, Hughes, etc.backs up your point.
Weren’t they blaming the greens for not building any houses.
Labor has been furious over what Albanese has called the “Noalition” between the Greens,in rejecting Labor’s housing agenda.
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Suggest we try stopping all the sage advice on what they did wrong and how to become relevant.
They may visit blitz !
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