Still haven’t defined what conservative views are.
You live in a left/right prism.
it’s like asking someone wearing a metallica shirt what their favourite album is and they say stairway to heaven
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I’m not suggesting electricity isn’t a preferred power source ideally. Issue is, the government is going to force householders to go through the painstaking process of transitioning to electricity at their own expense. It’s complex, costly and a pain in the arse. Especially for low income families or individuals, stumping up $2-5k is a big ask. That’s why ‘Kos’ is labelling it electorally unpopular and I find it bewildering the government are pushing on.
Perhaps they’re banking on the Vic LNP being a basket case for another 18 months. This might be true. Otherwise, it looks like a form of political suicide based on the polling in a cost of living crisis.
They will lose votes. Question is, how many? I reckon it’s going to hurt them big time.
I agree the induction cooktop is superior. They’re terrific 
Are existing builds forced to switch from gas to electric? If the gas appliances go bust, are they allowed to re-equip with gas appliances?
There are financial incentives to switch. There are also provisions forbidding discount offers on gas appliances.
As to the poor, the renters won’t be affected.
Kos does a poll without analysis of the detail of the plan, or maybe not putting questions of detail to those he’s polled.
Conservative views have been well responded to by a couple of posters above, not really necessary to repeat them. I noted that you responded to their posts so that ticks the box I think .
I can understand this, but adapt. You also won’t be poisoning yourself slowly every day and using fossil fuels. With the right pots and pans you can cook anything well on an induction, just change your method a bit.
But you’re probably right, people hate change when it inconveniences them
That’s a hell of a lot of money. $20,000….
Even if you strongly argue that you will / are getting cheaper bills moving forward to offset (with rebates), I sense lots of voters will be highly sceptical of the future cost savings as they don’t trust governments to be truthful on this subject. They’ve been told their energy costs will fall, yet they’ve skyrocketed.
So, they have to find big $$’s and go through a complex task to switch over at a time they don’t honestly believe they will get a return.
To me that’s a genuine challenge for government to convince voters of moving forward. It’s a difficult sell I reckon!
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Yeah, that’s bulsshitt. Also zero interest schemes available. Suck it up
Victorian election?
Victoria will turn blue because of the incredible amount of state debt wont it?
Perfect definition of modern conservative thought process and comms right there.
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Debt won’t make Vic voters go blue in itself. It will be that they’re paying more and more taxes (due to debt), and being forced to find more money to convert from gas to electricity 
It’s going to be closer than you think I’d say. The govt wouldn’t want to be too arrogant and tone deaf.
Dodge the question, let others carry the load and the responsibility, condescend in a smarmy fashion
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You need to also factor in how incompetent the Vic LNP are and that between now and 2026, odds are they’ll do something incomprehensibly stupid and hand the election to ALP.
They should win the next state election. But they are just unbelievably good at shooting themselves in the foot.
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It’s unnecessary though isn’t it?
The big rock is energy and that means renewables with storage and lot of it. Then it would have to be transport.
Converting a few thousand homes from gas to electric appliances won’t make a big difference.
Gas appliance manufacturers association wasn’t consulted, who I might add one of the last appliances we build in this country and we’ve just gutted the industry perhaps prematurely. Are they being phased out in any case, yes but this has hastened the demise and then job losses.
Plumbers and gasfitters nope. no discussion with the Master Plumbers. No discussion with the PPTEU, Earl Setches found out the day before the ban.
The ETU was consulted, any guesses as to Lily D’Ambrosio’s biggest backers are?
Just on her, she’s hopeless.
Gas isn’t that bad whilst electricity isn’t come from a renewable source.
It’s cheaper for apartment builders to put electric in and I imagine that’s where the majority of new builds are. So they would be happy to see legislation for that development?
As a sparky , it’s amusing to see opinions that switching from gas to only electricity is simple and always straightforward.
I still recall Citipowers field officer responses when Yarra Council declared a unilateral ban on gas supplies back in 2019 
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Put it this way. If you’re in an inner city property with the old 32 amp imperial incoming and you rush out and buy a 32 amp induction cooktop, you’ve got far more to worry about than just the price of the cooktop, let alone oven / hws / heating etc . And if you’re in one of the old terrace style blocks in Richmond / Hawthorn East etc you may find that you share a fascia supply with the adjoining properties , in which case you’ll want to be on very good financial terms with the neighbours. I’ve seen this first hand. I made the enquiries for a client. Citi power officer - "ask her if she’s so set on induction cooking that she’s willing to spend $20k just on the street works " . She - perfectly reasonably - stayed with gas.
This will all happen, and it should happen , but it’ll have to be progressive and imo prescriptive doctrines are not the way to go on it. Greenfield estates with appropriate infrastructure planning is a different matter. The design right back to the new substation sizing should accommodate for no gas. I presume that new builds are not limited by default to 40Amp by the supply authorities any more. Or they shouldn’t be. Not with electric everything, including potentially cars. But for existing homes / suburbs it’s way more problematic in some locations.
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Have known Kos for years, back when he was a grubby little kid running around Coburg. Like a lot of ex-ALP people, he has joined the group that tells media what they want to hear. He is now making his own stories and manipulates data to fit the Agenda. We have argued about it, but he is a former socialist making a lot of money.
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