Australian Politics -- and YOU WILL LIKE IT

No. No it’s not.

Not at all.

About half the population votes for what would be best overall for the country.

Can you guess what party the other, selfish, half votes for?

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If the ALP was in power managing an economy during a pandemic the results would have been catastrophic.

im sorry scotty but even if you’re voting for you, you’re voting against y our own interests, so bravo i guess.

How so?

Factually incorrect. You do realise the government incurred more debt prior to COVID than Labor during the GFC.

You’ve completely swallowed the Murdoch "labor can’t manage the economy " mantra.

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Like they were during the GFC…? That turned out pretty well despite all the criticism from the Tories and the Murdoch media at the time.

for someone who claims to think for himself you are pretty good at spouting the Murdoch/IPA line.

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Like in Victoria?
Or during the global recession?

I don’t follow that at all. They’d have done equally shady stuff, but with the goal of getting things done quickly rather than…other priorities.
Have we forgotten it’s not a race for vaccines?
Or RAT tests?

I…do not follow that at all.

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See this is what I mean.

Anytime someone shares views all your hear is Murdoch Murdoch Murdoch.

If you truely want to engage and win people over. Talk to them, ask them what life experiences they had to form those views. Maybe then people will engage with you and be open change.

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We can’t tell as they weren’t, but I do think the Liberals have been catastrophic.

The real effects are only just starting to come home to roost.

But if management had of been more sound during the pandemic thus far.

We would be in less government debt.
We would have much lower personal debt.
We wouldn’t have rampant inflation across the economy
We wouldn’t have needlessly shut down business for as long as it did.

The current government lacks any ability to plan for a crisis or even respond in a timely manner.

The response required good management regardless really of political persuasion. Just the basics were not done well by them.

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You can’t just say ‘it woulda been worse under Labor’ and then complain about platitudes.

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You’ve literally spouted their talking points.

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You’ve answered your own question here Scotty.

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Point i am trying to (poorly) make is why just jump to “oh you just say that cos the herald sun said so” talk to people ask them why they feel that.

Personally i feel that way because in my life time I’ve seen the cycle of (especially in vic in the 90s and 00s).

-Labour gets in and spends all the money
-Libs get in and have to sell off assets to repay debt
-People complain
-Labour back in
-Rinse and repeat

Completely agree. He’s about as inspiring as used toilet paper. I hope the LNP lose but the ALP have blown it with Albo.

Here’s an independent economic assessment

I’m pretty sure RMIT fact check also did an analysis. I’ll try and find it.

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Howard paid of debt sure, incurred really from an ALP government working through the last of the recessions we had.

But in doing so his government also created structural issues which destroyed government revenue.

You can’t become a lower taxing government and not cut operating costs. Howard presided over one of the largest (at the time) public services we have ever had at the federal level.

He also created so many tax loopholes that he shot any revenue to pay the bills.

And it’s cost now both sides of politics.

The Liberals can’t keep repeating the lie. I’m finding it unbelievable that it’s Palmers loonies are the only ones trying to cut through on that message.

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Are you better off with the selling if the assets during Kennett era?

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Okay.
I don’t know how you’re asking for reasoned debate if that’s where you stand.
You’re never going to vote other than conservative no matter how bad they are at anything.

you’re not exactly good at managing the economy if you have to sell off public assets for quick cash injections

but also, the economy is currently rooted - Labor hasn’t touched it for a decade

ipso facto, the libs are not good at managing the economy

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The idea that the only way to balance a nation’s budget is to sell off public assets is prime right-wing propaganda.

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