Ben Roberts-Smith Laptop Repair Service

[sausageroll]

He’s been tried and it’s been found it’s not defamatory to accuse him of war crimes. Not that I would to the man monsters face. He is HUGE.

nothing wrong about it.

The criminal case is a chance for him to clear his name. Which he probably won’t given the civil findings. If he’s lucky they will find it too hard to make a call.

I do think that he might be a fall guy but only a fall guy for other bad eggs.

The SAS itself needs to clear its name for the ones that aren’t.

Surely killers are attracted to the line of duty for the opportunity.

[Lifetime_ban]

@dingus

Except for all those war crimes he done

Except for all those war crimes that he allegedly done that haven’t been proven in a criminal court.

[barry_day]

Crikey (@crikey.com.au)

Attending a Ben Roberts-Smith rally was a poor use of my limited time on this...

[Bacchusfox]

Some of these boys served with BRS but none in the group were with him when the allegations surfaced.

I couldn’t ask questions as it was a discussion between them and I felt I was intruding enough. All I really know is that frontline Afghanistan was a horrible and tragic place, and we have hundreds of veterans who are victims.

[Loflyer]

One thing’s for sure, movie rights will already belong to Stokes and co and it will be a putrid heap of ■■■■, followed by a mini series that tells the other side that will be very mediocre.

[Lifetime_ban]

I think in future years, Afghanistan may be looked back on as much like Vietnam in terms how to determine whether or not the person you were dealing with was friendly, neutral or actively hostile.

For those that haven’t read my previous posts on this subject, I have an opinion on the guilt or otherwise of BRS, but that is only my opinion, and like every other person on the planet I have my own biases. I raised the supplements saga earlier. That was not to compare the seriousness of the offence, they don’t belong in the same ballpark, but rather to highlight that a balance of probabilities case relies on interpretation. The CAS found that the players were trying to hide their supplement use because they didn’t declare what they took on the declarations they need to fill out when being tested, ignoring the fact that most filled them out long after the program had ceased, that the forms only required what was taken in the previous week and that it was not compulsory to provide any answer at all if they didn’t wish to. CAS said hiding, most reasonable people when the facts around this point are explained to them, find the CAS interpretation to be rubbish.

I don’t have all the facts, therefore I am not going to give my opinion. I am happy to stand by the courts determination in a criminal trial, where the burden of proof is on the prosecution to make a case beyond reasonable doubt.

If they find him guilty, good.

If they find him innocent edit: not guilty, good.

That is their duty. Once they have discharged their duty, the court can then determine the next step. Prison if guilty, freedom if innocent.

Until that decision is handed down, he is an alleged war criminal, and that is what the defamation case concluded, that the statements made by Nick McKenzie alleging that he is a war criminal, on the balance of probabilities, may be true. That does not mean he is a war criminal. That only occurs after the trial if found guilty. Until then, like you, me and every other person living in the country, he has the presumption of innocence. If you struggle to understand this concept, this is a you problem, not mine. (Not addressed to you @Bacchusfox )

[dingus]

@Lifetime_ban

@dingus

Except for all those war crimes he done

Except for all those war crimes that he allegedly done that haven’t been proven in a criminal court.

Yes because civil courts, and the appeals processes thereof, aren’t real.

[Bacchusfox]

We agree on something then.

Oh, you are being sarcastic, and it just went way over my head, you clever boy .

[Toast]

@Lifetime_ban

If they find him guilty, good.

If they find him innocent, good

well they won’t be finding him innocent

[Lifetime_ban]

fixed it and thank you. I knew what I meant but miswrote.

[tezza54]

Always remember that the so called Court of Arbitration in Sport is not a court at all. It is a private tribunal (as is the AFL Tribunal) that can make up its own rules to suit itself.

[Lifetime_ban]

In my earlier post I specifically mentioned that the Swiss Federal Tribunal (Swiss supreme court) upheld the CAS ruling.

@Lifetime_ban

As an Essendon fan, whenever you discuss one of the suspended players do you call them drug cheat so and so, because they were found guilty in a civil court (The Swiss Federal Tribunal upheld the CAS decision arrived at on the balance of probabilities)? Or do you consider that the balance of probabilities call was a bullshit decision to ruin the reputations of a bunch of young men that did nothing wrong based on nothing more than the vibe. In my opinion, if you won’t do it for the Essendon players, you shouldn’t do it for Ben Roberts-Smith.

[Walla]

Sounds like excuses the IDF, or the Nazi’s in WW2 would use to justify their actions.

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@Toast

same guy that destroyed laptops in his backyard

Isn’t that why they call him “the Breaker”?

[bobo]

@Bacchusfox

Some of these boys served with BRS but none in the group were with him when the allegations surfaced.

I couldn’t ask questions as it was a discussion between them and I felt I was intruding enough. All I really know is that frontline Afghanistan was a horrible and tragic place, and we have hundreds of veterans who are victims.

I don’t doubt it, I was thinking in terms of the immunity given out by the authorities.

[bomberjez]

Ben “war criminal” Roberts-Smith

The hyphenated last name and the fact he did it is enough for me. Scum. Let him serve his sentence in an Afghanistan prison.

[Bacchusfox]

Same with all immunity to get evidence. Similar thing happens where Police offer offenders to forget crimes, if they will inform on others.

[bobo]

I mean it’s a lot of people to need immunity.

[dingus]

Has anybody, at all, ever, been able to provide a single motivation that would justify the label “witch hunt”?

To glance at it you’d think this poor bloke who lost a defamation trial because the courts decided that he was likely a murderer is just a victim of tall poppy syndrome.

Where’s this coming from? What department, group, it agency has a bee in their bonnet about SAS soldiers?

Who would want to bring them down so much that they fabricate evidence and procure false testimony?

I’ll hazard a guess that it’s Farking nobody and this is just another bogan, cooker, racist traveller pet issue.

[Bacchusfox]

@dingus

Has anybody, at all, ever, been able to provide a single motivation that would justify the label “witch hunt”?

Nick McKenzie is all the answer you need.