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“We’re a happy team at Hawthorn”
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“Were a happy team at Hawthorn”
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The AwFuL don’t investigate, they massage things, work out how things can be presented in a maaner which absolves themselves of any responsibilty.amd impose their might to force it through. Brand management first and foremost.
Genie’s out of the bottle with this one though…
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Your quarterly reminder that the then president of Hawthorn had a collection of golliwogs and went out of his way to show off his ‘Buddy Franklin’ golliwog.
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Agree.
I should have said it wasn’t wrong of Hawthorn to investigate and that the AFL handled it the wrong way.
As we were talking about Rohan’s article, didn’t think to put that in. Corrected now.
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The wrong thing argument is based around the idea that upon hearing what the players had to say, Hawthorn should have asked for Binmada to get Clarkson etc’s side of it.
Personally don’t agree with that take, and think that’s the role of the AFL integrity unit (as much as they’re flawed) in the process, but can see why there’s some grey in that area. Certainly don’t think it warrants punishment.
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AFL reference to concerns at the commissioning of the report could be construed in part as contracting the wrong person/company to do the report, because of conflict of interest and bias as an indigenous, related to an indigenous involved.
In a wider context, athletes rights and power imbalances between athletes and sporting bodies are issues in which Tracey Holmes has carved out a role as a respected sports journo for her analyses.
She has been careful and restrained in her initial public reactions (probably bruised from the hate hurled at Stan Grant).
Her initial reaction, from speaking to sport integrity people, is that it should have been fully independent from the outset. She noted that SIA was established for this purpose.
To note that SIA did handle a complaint about abuse of young gymnasts, but had to call on human rights experts as well as acknowledging that it did not have enforcement powers in that respect.
With a former cop preoccupied with chasing down dopers heading SIA (and relying on Sports federations to assist) I can’t see SIA as having the competence of reputation to deliver an acceptable outcome.
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Egan’s role was to document complaints and report to HFC.
After receiving the report including recommendations on next steps, the HFC took the decision that it had to be handled by the AFL, it was not appropriate to further progress internally.
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Also by this stage, IIRC the three actors had left the club
I’m a bit confused as to what the suggested threshold is before you hand the issue over to an independent investigator.
This is only the issue that it is because of the things that came out after talking to previous players.
I feel like it’s being suggested an independent inquiry should have been set up (and paid for) before the club knew they had any serious issues.
And if that’s the case then surely it follows that all clubs should have an independent review?
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I guess it depends on the terms of reference for the initial investigation. If it initially involved an allegation by one player and the investigation than identifies multiple parties, you’re starting to wander into potential systematic problems. That’s where I’d bring in an independent investigation with consideration given to amended terms of reference.
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To be deleted.
EFA
“We’re not Essendon supporters.” Lol.
Not sure how to take that.
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It’s always been interesting the way AFL sanctioned media have looked at the AFLs investigation as a full stop to the entire thing.
It’s merely a comma.
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It’s chicken and egg. The Human Rights Commission won’t consider a complaint without documented evidence.
The chances of the AHRC taking on a complaint would be stronger if it involved a number of players, indicating an underlying fault in the club system (as compared to one or two disaffected individuals),
This would seem to require coordination and cooperation between them, but how to achieve that if individual players had kept their problems to themselves. It would need a facilitator to assemble their grievances into a complete record.
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I’m confused by that as well.
Pretty sure the supporters stood by the players, coaches, and club as well as could possibly be expected.
I guess we got a little bit cranky with Ryder, but I don’t feel like that’s what he’s talking about.
Not even as if we got all that cross with Reimers.
Which is not to say the players (and coaches) wouldn’t have copped some abuse from fans. I’m sure they did. We’re not immune to ■■■■■■■■■.
Still, though.
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I dismissed it as a cheap dig, nothing more.
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There has been long standing feeling amongst the Indigenous players that the AFL doesn’t do enough to to act on racism the players receive as well as ensure cultural standards at club land. They would be citing Goodes as an example of how it went too far and forced him out of the game as a result
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You know my feelings on that rhetoric. We don’t need to have that discussion again.
But that aside, and even accepting that as read, I think it’s a very long bow…no, I’d go further and say a completely irrelevant comparison.
There’s just…nothing similar regarding potential motivations, or attempting to minimise reputational damage, or abuse of power by individuals, or…
But anyway.
We all have our own perspectives, and yours is as good as anyone’s.
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There are a few media reports of Paul Marsh of AFLPA slamming the AFL process.
Reportedly, the AFLPA has proposed a human rights policy and framework as part of the CBA negotiations with the AFL.
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Is the AFLPA fully independent of the AFL? How far can they go?