I’m not trolling. I don’t troll.
To me these all seems solvable. At the very least we should try if not for the sake of diverse mitigation (not all eggs in one basket).
Australia is a pretty nice place, why don’t we import experts and trained immigrants to help.
Nucleus of a nuclear workforce…
Serious question - why? On what basis do you think all these problems are so easily solvable? It just seems like blind faith. Some problems are just bloody hard no matter what good intentions you bring to them.
Remember, it’s not just Australia where nuclear power is expensive and slow, it’s everywhere. I’m not really up to date with the US, but major French and British nuclear plants are running decades late and hundreds of percent over budget. No matter where you do it, nuclear is HARD engineering, and that makes it expensive, and of course it’s very risky if you get it wrong. There’s no way to quickly build a skilled workforce. Even if we import talent, where are we importing it from? Europe, where they can’t build a reactor on time or on budget either? China? Yeah, how do you think ‘lets have lots of Chinese people on working visas run Australia’s nuclear capability!’ would go down? And remember, even China is heavily backing renewables over nuclear in their energy transition simply because it’s massively cheaper and its cost-efficiency improves every year, and it’s easily mass-producible without requiring a dozen PhDs at every step, and it’s much less risky in a worst-case scenario.
And of course, global warming is a GLOBAL problem, and decarbonisation of the economy has to be global too. Is anyone promoting the idea that Afghanistan should develop a nuclear capability? PNG? Haiti? Venezuela? Iraq? Syria? Zimbabwe?
well, Iraq thought about it but then got bombed and devastated by a great many countries in an illegal war.
And look how well that turned out for the world.
The price of spreading democracy, obviously
The price of democracy is like the price of a ■■■■ sandwich: the more bread you have, the less ■■■■ you have to eat.
Brilliantly articulated.
Not a lot of bread in the Iraqi sandwich
I’ll ask another question…
Why would we even bother to solve the roadblocks preventing nuclear? What’s the prize?
The push for nuclear is based off a misinformed idea that renewables aren’t viable. That’s wilfully ignoring the reality on the ground of renewables being built at massive scale and speed because they are proven and cost effective technology.
Australia technically can build a nuclear industry if there’s a need. There’s a need for nuclear in the military submarine space, so we are going through an extraordinary amount of pain to aquire that. But for power generation there’s options, but for some reason the politics in Australia ignores all the easy solutions and is fixated on the incredibly difficult.
I’d argue that the push for nuclear is based on the knowledge that it’s decades away from being viable, and thus it’s a distraction tactic designed to continue the use of coal unabated.
Renewables can replace coal far faster than nuclear can, and they (the LNP, Minerals Council, etc.) know it.
Asking ‘genuine’ questions. Saying you’ve done your research but then asking the same ‘genuine’ questions and making the same uninformed assertions. Ignoring other people’s deep explanations. What else is it but trolling? Get your hand off it.
This is what i was referring to @Joe
numptys like B1408.
This is the thing with that meme, and to a lesser extent what you’ve kind of pointed out.
What are individuals meant to do? on a singular level, if a person wants to be part of the solution and not an exasperater of the problem they can lower their carbon footprint put solar on their roof, get an EV etc
At some point the government has to properly pull their weight to meet the efforts of the individual
But what is the individual meant to do if they are pulling their weight and the government the government isn’t? Nothing?
To me, the people who understand the problem and do nothing on an individual level (within their limitations of course, not everyone can afford to put up solar etc) are the weakest of ■■■■■.
The people who do nothing because they see memes like that and think it gives them a free pass to do nothing are the dumbest of ■■■■■
That reason in the mean and tricky John Howard. He saw that if he could paint renewables as “bad” then that could stop votes going to the greens. Then it just got cemented into Liberal policy with successive governments of knuckleheads and crooks.
Yeah I noticed the usual suspects liked my post. I felt dirty. Didn’t know it was a meme for the deniers. To me it had a different meaning.
Many people are limited in what they can individually do. If you look at home solar and battery walls it costs a lot to install. I paid just under $20k for my system. I bought an expensive EV as I could afford it. There are many that can’t. I’ll have to replace the batteries eventually for both, which won’t be cheap.
The government could do more in the home solar space. Higher feed in tariffs and subsidies to install for lower income earners as an example.
I reckon there could be a government subsidy for solar feed In to your garage for people who have off street parking who buy an EV
You need to be wealthy to have a low cost of living.
In Australia total ICE vehicles contribute about 20% to greenhouse gases, at least in 2022.
The thing about Government policy on anything is that is about the masses in general so renewables implementation is so tempered with economic factors including, employment and capacity to provide facilities.
Being Environment Minister is as tough a job as it gets, close to the challenges of being Indigenous Affairs Minister, and especially hard in a Labor Government, ask Pete Garrett !
Those of us who put high priority on attacking climate change and global warming, often do not appreciate that most people have short term views and put their family first and do not consider next month, next year etc. Housing, health and Jobs are much more critical.
Those of us in LEAN in the ALP have spent years just getting in the room, let alone a seat at the table, dominated by Trade Unions. We have come a very long way since Pete Garrett and while justifiably many here scoff and jeer, Policy is on the right track and goals will be met.
Slowly Unions, Businesses and Politicians are accepting the dire alternatives.
People understand the economic benefits of having their house off grid. It’s intuitive, they see the power and gas bills, so make a direct link between those charges and the solar and battery costs. Most climate change deniers would consider throwing a solar panel on the roof for the personal financial advantages. Same goes with EVs when you can largely charge it off your own setup.
Where the community seems to struggle is applying the same logic to the nation. If you treated Australia as a household, with a multi billion $$$ power bill each quarter and a million vehicle petrol tank to keep topped up. We spend 2.5% of our GDP importing petrol and diesel. Our electricity prices are massively inflated by the coal sector, which hurts the entire economy. It makes financial sense to try to minimise that rent seeking behaviour of the fossil fuel industry.
3.5 billion in rebates that could have gone to hep fix these systemic issues in the budget. Very wealthy people among those that receive it where it makes no difference to them. It’s such a shame. Whatt about our kids?
They’re not viable right now, far less reliable and have far more waste.