Climate Change in Australia (Part 2)

Look, I completely understand how the energy transition looks completely moronic if you are coming from a baseline that man made climate change isn’t real. I think I’d be wasting both our time trying to explain the science.

I’m an oil and gas engineer, my job is to fill the sky with black balloons. I am arguably the biggest hypocrite on this forum. Despite action on climate change being a direct threat to my career, I passionately advocate for making these changes. In fact, I don’t know a single engineer in my industry who doesn’t believe in the science of climate change.

If you are curious about anything, I’m happy to bounce questions with you, but if you’re happy with your copy paste talking points then we can leave it be.

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The Libs are in a real predicament. They lost all the moderates to the Teal movement and now the far right rump of the party won’t let them move back to compete for the center. The far right won’t be able to govern without the party winning urban seats and for that to happen they need a marketable environmental policy.

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Not even close.

I used to do a lot of work with the oil industry when I lived in Houston for a while, and most of the oil and gas people had a thorough understanding of environmental issues and I never met one who had regrets over their chosen profession, especially the ones from Europe.

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How lovely for them.

It’s a shame their grandkids will.

I worked for blood sucking banks. You are not that bad.

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Why ?

Do you think if they didn’t toil away at Exxon then no more fossil fuel would be consumed ?

It is those who use fossil fuel who should be the one you criticise. If no-one used it, then Exxon would not exist. What sort of car do you drive ? Solar panels or wind turbine on your roof ?

Oil companies have known for decades that their product would destroy our ecosystems and have actively spread disinformation to confuse the general public and paid lobyists to buy our politician just so they can continue making profits at the expense of our planet. They are evil and they are already responsible for so much death and destruction and it is only going to get worse. Probably a lot worse.

So if a person knows they are evil, being good elsewhere doesn’t forgive them the moral failing for working for them. That being said, the person, seperate from their employer, is not the evil. How do you keep the line between who you are and what you do for a living clearly defined? With that knowledge comes responsibility, so if you know, then you are responsible for actions based on that knowledge. Non-participation with a known evil is a good.

Would you work for a company like Bayer that has sold products like Roundup that they knew caused cancer? I wouldn’t.

Fossil fuels are the lifeblood of our society, it underpins everything. You can’t escape it unless you go and live in the mountains as a hermit. How do you think they tyres on your EV are made? All the plastics? The road you drive on? None of it is possible without fossil fuel.

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Australia is NOT acting alone on climate change. Many other countries are committed, in fact 82 other countries to be exact…

Article is paywalled, but you get the idea.

BELÉM, Brazil — Dozens of governments on Tuesday urged countries to agree on a “roadmap” for phasing out coal, oil and natural gas, ratcheting up the stakes for United Nations climate change negotiations that end this week.
The call from 82 countries spanning Europe, the Pacific islands, Latin America and Africa immediately elevated the topic to the top of the COP30 agenda, making it one of the most substantial and likely divisive topics of the two-week negotiations.

Care: Paywall.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/18/double-down-on-push-to-abandon-fossil-fuels-82-countries-urge-at-climate-summit-00657241

Bingo

So on one hand Companies like Exxon are evil and on the other their product is essential and you use it.

Perhaps a tad hypocritical!

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The equally uncomfortable fact remains that companies like Exxon have spent decades using their lobbying and financial and market power to make it as difficult as possible for anyone to opt out from using their product, to strangle any alternative or technological mitigation attempt at birth, and to prevent people from believing that their product was a problem at all.

Remember those black balloon ads? Extremely effective, and memorable, and wholly malicious. Bought and paid for by the fossil fuel lobby. “Hi everyone, just a friendly reminder that climate change is entirely due to you not turning your tv off at the wall every single time you stop watching it, nothing to do with the pollies in our pockets weighting energy policy to slow down or prevent transition to lower-emission energy.”

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All true Humble One, but there are alternatives to using fossil fuels.

Yes, by living in a cave in the mountains. There is no escape otherwise.

HM has sadi more eloquently than I ever could but if it wasn’t for those big oil companies we may have began decarbonising in the 70s. They’ve done all they could to stop this happening.

Evil. So much blood is on their hands.

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We can have some fossil fuel usage to produce items that have no alternatives at this point in time.

No reason to not have solar, wind, nuclear, thermal replace fossil fuels where the tech is available.

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Something that people don’t understand is how much petrol subsidises every single other aspect of modern technology.

Plastics are made from ethane, propane and butane, which are byproducts of cracking crude oil and can’t be blended into fuel.

Benzene from crude is a feedstock precursor chemical for basically every modern medicine.

Paint, bitumen, detergent, tires, lube, medicine, packing foam, milk cartons… pretty much everything we touch has needed a crude oil derivative.

When the fuel industry declines, those offtakes that feed various other manufacturing sectors will become scarcer and more expensive.

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The Global Solar Power Tracker is a worldwide dataset of utility-scale solar photovoltaic (PV) and solar thermal facilities. It covers all operating solar farm phases with capacities of 1 megawatt (MW) or more and all announced, pre-construction, construction, and shelved projects with capacities greater than 20 MW … The most recent release of this data was in February 2025.

Our ratio of “complete” is a fair bit different to the other big players.

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sick decision ALP, not like anyone could have predicted the below

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Quick, approve another coal mine!

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It’s disgusting. Labor turning out to be no better than the LNP on environment. Don’t think I’ve ever been so disappointed with a Federal government with a fairly solid mandate to fkg do something.

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The NH is really driving up the temperatures.

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