I should have said , in current form.
On other years form you can mount a case yes , but how they are playing at present, the players would.not be in the starting 22 at richmond.
The rest of what you say is true.
All ill add is players can also also lose faith when thwir leaders stop performing as they should , leaders and the best the aide has to offer.
Yes they may have qurstions about the gameplan, and rightly so.
But tell me why anyone would wanna bust their ■■■■ off to chase , after hepp or hurley oe zakka have turned ir over , ■■■■■■ up a bit of play, or just made it morw different when there was no need for it.
Why would they make it an absolute mission to hir targets , to follow a gameplan that is rendered useless just by the sheer volume of mistakes.
Alpt of the senior players have never seemed to truely buy in or be prepared to fully commit ro any coaches gameplan.
So while its a fault of the coaches that they havent dropped senior players.
No player on this list, bar goddard smith and stringer have had success , so they shouls not be running the show in anyway shape or form.
It says volumes that goddard is still the main one trying to make others or enforce them ro stick to the coaches gameplan, meanwhile our senior players just dont follow it, zaka , smiling daniher not doing his job.
It speaks volumes of the privilege these undetperfoeming players believe their entitled too.
Someone has put the assistants’ stats together from some of the clubs to illustrate Essendon’s situation.
AFL assistant coaches – team by team comparisons
Categories AFLTags April 30, 2018
AFL assistant coaches – team by team comparisons
In light of yet another sub-standard performance by the Bombers yesterday, with much finger-pointing directed at the coaches box, below is a little interesting comparison on Essendon’s current crop of Assistant Coaches against that of other, highly successful and competitive clubs in the AFL.
Keep in mind that we’ve listed Essendon’s ENTIRE Assistant Coaching brigade and compared that to just SOME of the Assistants at other clubs. We think there’s something in this……the experience and accolades achieved by assistants at the other clubs compared to Essendon is compelling…
Essendon Bombers:
James Kelly – 313 Games, 3 Premierships, 1 All-Australian
Mark Harvey – 206 Games, 3 Premierships, 2 All-Australians, 41% winning Senior Coaching Ratio
Mark Neeld – 74 Games, 15% winning Senior Coaching Ratio
Hayden Skipworth – 55 Games
Paul Corrigan – 53 Games
Mark Corrigan – 0 Games
Rob Harding – 0 Games
Total – 701 Games (100 Average), 6 Premierships, 3 All-Australians
Sydney Swans:
John Blakey – 359 Games, 2 Premierships
Dean Cox – 280 Games, 1 Premiership, 6 All-Australians
Steve Johnson – 253 Games, 3 Premierships, 3 All-Australians, 1 Norm Smith Medal
Brett Kirk – 241 Games, 1 Premiership, 1 All-Australian
Rhyce Shaw – 237 Games, 1 Premiership
Tadgh Kennelly – 197 Games, 1 Premiership
Total – 1567 Games (261 Average), 9 Premierships, 10 All-Australians, 1 Norm Smith Medal
Collingwood Magpies:
Robert Harvey – 383 Games, 2 Brownlows, 8 All-Australians
Matthew Boyd – 292 Games, 1 Premiership, 3 All-Australians
Garry Hocking – 274 Games, 4 All-Australians
Tarkyn Lockyer – 227 Games
Brenton Sanderson – 209 Games
Total – 1385 Games (277 Average), 1 Premiership, 2 Brownlows, 15 All-Australians
Hawthorn Hawks:
Adem Yze – 271 Games, 1 All-Australian
Darren Glass – 270 Games, 1 Premiership, 4 All-Australians
Scott Burns – 264 Games
Brett Ratten – 255 Games, 1 Premiership, 2 All-Australians, 51% winning Senior Coaching Ratio
Damien Monkhorst – 215 Games, 1 Premiership
Total – 1275 Games (255 Average), 3 Premierships, 7 All-Australians
Adelaide Crows:
Ben Hart – 311 Games, 2 Premierships, 4 All-Australians
Ryan O’Keefe – 286 Games, 2 Premierships, 1 Norm Smith Medal
Matthew Clarke – 258 Games
Scott Camporeale – 252 Games, 1 Premiership, 1 All-Australian
Josh Francou – 156 Games, 1 All-Australian
Total – 1263 Games (252 Average), 5 Premierships, 6 All-Australians, 1 Norm Smith Medal
Port Adelaide Power:
Scott Thompson – 308 Games, 1 All-Australian
Chad Cornes – 255 Games, 1 Premiership, 2 All-Australians
Brendon Lade – 234 Games, 1 Premiership, 2 All-Australians
Michael Voss – 210 Games, 3 Premierships, 1 Brownlow, 4 All-Australians, 39% winning Senior Coaching Ratio
Nathan Bassett – 210 Games, 1 All-Australian
Total – 1217 Games (243 Average), 5 Premierships, 1 Brownlow, 10 All-Australians
In summary, we’re not necessarily saying to be a great coach or assistant you need to have been a great player; history has shown us examples of this. But, think about your own profession and ask yourself – if you wanted to develop and get better, would you prefer to take advice from someone who’s excelled at the highest level in that field or advice from someone who hasn’t?
We once had a royal box, people with passion & credibility. Its important.
Hird. Bomber. McCartney. Goodwin. Wellman.
And Egan & Skipworth in development IIRC
Woosh is a great guiding influence and has rebuilt culture & has the team with clear focus on values and elite training habits.
But having Neeld effectively senior assistant and Skippy (mid) + Corrigan (fwd) is an embarrassment compared to other teams. No credibility there. And Harvey probably done his dash as well.
I still can’t get over the fact we actually had a coaching review end of last year and decided to make our coaching group worse & let Neeld be responsible for our midfield strategy/game plan.
The Hawthorn era, Clarkson emphasised great teachers rather than great players. As you are more likely to learn from a great teacher. Brendon Bolton is the classic example who never played AFL.
My English teacher was actually our music teacher and he couldn’t spell, his grammer was atrocious and he was cheating on his wife with the maths teacher (who was also having an affair with a student).
I went to a wonderful school. Probably explains a lot.
Remove Kelly from that equation. Less than 400 games experience. And even if you don’t, he’s only really learning the ropes this year. Looks…not good. Xavier, board? Does this look good?
I think the days of line coaches are gonna be over soon if not already. you need entire team cohesion and separating doesn’t really help. most drills are tailored to cohesion between, midfielders and forward, midfielders and defenders. you can just have mids do ball movement drills or zone setting up practice without defenders and fowards involved because they won’t understand how to set up or where the balls going. so you end up with 'oh kick it over the top and i’ll run onto it type plays that we’re so adept at doing.
I also think the ‘must be a legend of the game’ mantra is obsolete, i don’t mind if coaches never played at an elite level, heck even an ammo level. What i care about is their ability to coach. I’d like to see us get those sort of coaches from state league, ammos that have built clubs up from ruin repeatedly. and shown that they can teach a gameplan that players buy into. i reckon its a bit of tall poppy by players that dismiss a coach because they can’t listen to those type of coaches because they ‘didn’t play the game’ or ‘were ■■■■ when they played.’
now before anyone points out my dislike for skipworth because he didn’t make it as an essendon player, idc that he played, i just think hes a bang average coach that’d be lucky to run a country league team.
Listening to the Crawf & Hirdy podcast (great listen BTW, if you aren’t already on it then get on board) - toward the end Crawf and Hirdy both have a dig at Neeld. Crawf implying that his game plan from day 1 was ‘long down the line’ - and that he just couldn’t get on board.
Clearly the guy has no respect in the industry as a coach.
Makes you wonder…