No, there was already 30+ cases in the community before the first one revealed itself.
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What are the lies and what is your evidentiary source for these alleged lies?
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Pangolins in a white wine sauce?
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Before the Wollert guy who came from SA quarantine? I get that there were multiple infections as yet undetected before case one (family of case 5) tested positive but I’m talking about the 2 weeks after case zero tested positive on May 10th. That’s when we knew we had 1 community case to start from. Until this new strain was announced yesterday all cases were genetically linked back to case 0. The contact tracing was unable to identify all his contacts in time to contain the outbreak & they still have no established transmission to case 5. Given the belief that case 5 infected case 1 (his family) then is it reasonable to assume case 5 was one of if not the 1st person infected by case 0?
No new record today, despite a record day in Vic of 52k
booooo
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Up to 5 close contacts in the Towers. So far all tested negative - another lie?
No. It is possible if one of case 0 or case 5 are lying about exposure sites (which is not the fault of contact tracers).
But it it is far more likely that there are unknown cases that link case 5 back to case 0.
There would be many people who attended case 0’s exposure sites that didn’t get tested due ignorance or carelessness. As we are painfully aware, it only takes one a$$hole to lockdown a state.
You might argue that a better QR code or COVID tracker system could have helped ID these unknown links, but that requires cooperation from the public, and the Vic public have not wholeheartedly bought into either.
So once again, based on the info in the public domain, the point of failure is behaviour, not contact tracing.
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You come in with your preconceived point of view, which is fine.
You hadn’t bothered to educate yourself on the chains of transmission before the start of your accusations today. All of which has been on daily pressers, in all forms of news, even in this forum. People here have tried to bring you up to speed on what has happened while you weren’t paying attention.
You don’t understand what a contact tracer does, or how they operate, e.g. they found case 5 the same way they find most cases including asymptomatic ones, by the fact that they infect others, and some others are less selfish and get tested when they develop symptoms, then they are traced and tested as close contacts. Under interview, he then “came clean”. But Chop and others have patiently explained to you.
You don’t seem to seek to understand, but to blame, with a simplistic “pass” or “fail” judgement. At different times, different areas have been major contributors to a “fail”. In this particular lockdown, if you take the time to educate yourself, you’ll probably come to the same conclusion most (not everyone) in here has, that the major contributor was a few selfish individuals, who didn’t listen to the warnings that have been made abundantly clear. Their selfish acts created an outbreak with enough unknown transmissions for public health to be fearful of losing control without lockdown. They could have tried to contain it without lockdown, sure. But if it didn’t work, which was very likely in this case, we’d have been looking at months in lockdown again. Much as weeks of lockdown can be tough, months are harder. We know, because we endured them, and most Victorians, not all, prefer a known short lockdown to a possible very long lockdown. We’ve been on the wrong end of that equation before.
I have sympathy for Victorians who were living life to the full after previous lockdowns. But when you’re sick enough to see a doctor for your symptoms, it’s pretty hard to feel sorry for someone who then spent the best part of the next 2 weeks socialising all over Melbourne without ever bothering to get tested.
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I went up to the supermarket today. I scanned the QR code and did my shopping. After I had finished I stood outside and watched. 1 in maybe 7 people scanned in before shopping. People are not doing the right thing, they can’t be bothered.
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And you just know, the people who care least will moan most about being locked down
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The same type of ■■■■■■■■ that won’t get tested with symptoms is exactly the same type of person that wont bother scanning QR codes.
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And then spread misinformation about contact tracers. But we already knew that.
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If case 0 had directly infected case 5, they would have found an exposure site under interview. Both these cases would have been interviewed extensively to find that link, as it’s the most critical one. Because no exposure site was identified, this means the most likely scenario is that we have 1 or more cases between case 0 and case 5. But because case 5 was discovered so late, it’s quite possible that the unknown case is no longer infectious (10 days is the usual limit of infectiousness for an asymptomatic or mild case), so that when we test all close contacts of case 5, we don’t find the linking case, and possibly never will. The fear is that we then have a linking case who hasn’t been in quarantine, and was either asymptomatic or didn’t bother getting tested. This person may have infected others that we don’t have in isolation, who are busy passing it on to their own tree of infections. If we let that run its course without lockdown, while we try a futile attempt to trace a close contact who is no longer infectious, then it potentially gets away from us to a very large degree, requiring a much longer lockdown to wipe out.
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No I don’t understand what they so. I thought they are supposed to identify people who are likely to have been in close contact with a known case & then isolate those people before they either become contagious &/or infect others. I thought thats exactly what they have managed to do in NSW, SA & WA. What did they do differently? With lockdown 2 the source was security guards. We knew some had tested positive but weeks later other guards were still driving Ubers etc & this is how a breach from quarantine turned into a 4 month lockdown. This time it was 1 guy who picked it up just before leaving SA quarantine. Now once again I thought the whole point of contact tracing was to contain that 1 case to as few community infections as possible. Identify every possible contact point & then isolate everyone who may have become infected. I thought that’s how you get in front of the virus & contain it. Again, is that not what was done interstate?
Now if thats not the aim of contact tracers then maybe it should be & maybe they need more resources & training to achieve that because if they are unable to contain a single quarantine breach then its almost inevitable that we will be locked down again & again.
She does remind one of Shayna Blaze, I can see that from the picture in the paper.
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In all fairness, our supermarket has three codes before you enter, one at the hand sanitizer spot, another at the deli and another at the counter.
Plenty of spots to check in. Whether they actually used it is another question.
I’ve experience the same thing at my regular lunch (before lockdown). One at door at the entry, one at the register and one where you get your cutlery. Three spots to provide your information. The couple of times I’d been there, I was the only person I noticed checking in. Not one person in front of me in the queue checked in and they were all eating in.
And 774k for the last 7 days, but it would be much better getting that to over 1m a week. CSL are making over 1m of AZ, plus we are getting 350k of Pfizer each week, time to step it up!
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Do you not read the replies to your posts?
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