Hugely ha ha.
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imagine unironically trying to turn a discussion about domestic violence into ā ā ā ā ā ā ā identity politics lol
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Australia is beholden to the gambling and alcohol industry. Thatās a massive reason(not the excuse) DV is such a big problem.
You can do all the talking and therapy you like, but if your losing all your money on gambling and sinking too many depressants which are proven to fuel violence your gonna have ā ā ā ā social problems.
Throw onto that bonfire unstable employement, ridiculously expensive housing and rising costs of essentials and more people are stretched to their limits.
Thereās a social cost to all that, and look you can say thereās no excuse(there isnāt for DV), but I see a shed load of reason.
Iād love to know if you banned advertising of gambling and alcohol, put casinos out of business and blew up the pokies what the impact would be on society.
And maybe Iām way off, maybe there is no correlation between wife beaters and consumption of excessive alcohol/drugs and gambling.
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Thatās what I do. Thatās what most men do. A reasonable request that gets met by men as a whole.
I think the people whoās bad behaviours are triggered by alcohol or gambling would move on to having their bad behaviour triggered by something else instead.
Theres certainly countries in the world with no alcohol and no gambling, I bet thereās just as much DV.
Oversimplification. Anything that causes stress will exacerbate a problem. But plenty of non drinking, non gambling men still commit domestic violence, and there are plenty of gambling and alcohol addicted women who donāt.
probably. but nothing legally available exacerbates underlying issues as quickly and intensely as those two things.
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And yet there are people who think itās okay to make violent, often sexual but not always, statements about women on this site from time to time.
This is the whole thing about āfree speech.ā
āJokingā about aggression and sexual aggression normalises it.
Yay. Free speech. But accept responsibility for the things you say.
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Money problems and being inebriated and unable to uphold your responsibilities are huge causes of arguments.
And being under the influence basic animal instincts come out. for many men that happens to be violence or it may be a sexual indiscretion or irresponsible gambling.
I just think the amount of gambling and drinking we have in Australia and the culture that is created through advertising and perpetuation of unrealistic stereotypes feeds into that.
And no I know not all violent ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā are found in pubs and TABs. But why do you think DV statistics peak at Grand final and Melbourne Cup time?
Itās not ā ā ā ā ā ā ā rocket science.
And my original post also points to some of the causes, If your on top of your housing, food, work, care for kids etc etc responsibilities, then those things probably arenāt exacerbating stressors that lead to violence as much.
But you know education. I just donāt put all my eggs in the education basket.
I have never seen a joke on here about hurting a women.
I have seen people say horrible tings about Caroline Wilson.
But, I have also seen people say even worse things about Hutchy, Eddie, Barrett, etc.
Iām not having a go.
Honestly.
But I think this is another example of abhorrent, normalised behaviour, that just doesnāt apply to women to anything like the same extent.
I can think of more than one somehow respected member of my hometown community who spent a decade after their twentieth birthday going to pubs and finishing the night with punching someone in the head.
Now you can make excuses for that.
You can say heās somehow hardwired to do that.
Or you can actually just say, āNo. That guy is a violent ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā and it doesnāt matter how good he is at doing things with a round sporting object.ā
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No offence, but your first two sentences seem contradictory.
But itās not restricted to Wilson.
Anyway, as much as this is compelling to discuss, Iām fully aware that itās become a bunch of blokes talking about a thread (mostly) devoted to violence against women.
So thatās enough for me for now.
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Yeah true and itās not to completely to my original point but arseholes are generally made not born.
(Thereās some genetic factors that can make people unsociable and for those instances as well itās super important that legitimate arseholes know there is a reason for their behaviour so they can take responsibility for it. And itās not easy for some)
Definetly promoting the ā ā ā ā out of drinking and gambling doesnāt help the situation.
Nor does government/banking policy which makes housing expensive or jobs unstable or places unsociable/unliveable etc etc.
Just creating a more stressful existence.
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The current debate kicked off with honour killing being a feature of Muslim culture, for that reason, we should not allow more Muslims to migrate here
- backed up by a claim that there were 12 such fatalities in the UK
That was not a part of the commentary at all Bigallan (the part about not wanting to allow Muslims to migrate here). Maybe you read that into it yourself looking for something to argue about.
I donāt think youāre wrong, but I donāt think youāre right either. I think itās too interlinked with too many other things.
Plus, if you made alcohol and gambling illegal tomorrow, it wouldnāt stop people drinking and gambling. Just push it underground. Or, at best, push it to some other substance, some other pasttime. The risky behaviours wouldnāt stop, theyād just change.
Too complex a problem to just be any one thing.
Iām glad weāre having a long, in depth discussion about the persecution of men. Itās a massive problem for society. Men have had to deal with this for far too long. Let this be a safe space for you all.
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What Saucy posted on Muslims ā¦
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And if ālegallyā actually mattered, would this thread even exist?