Essendon Indigenous Players poster

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/
It’s on the wall at the new facility.
It’s a pity Russell Williams wasn’t included though.
Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.

For some reason the Instagram link doesn’t work.
(https://www.instagram.com/p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/)

Number 34 as well, I really can’t remember Williams.

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

Number 34 as well, I really can't remember Williams.
Three fairly forgettable games in a forgettable year. But Lachlan Ross got a gig and he did even less than Williams, with the exception of making fun of Brett Heady.
https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.


Yeah, didn’t that happen in a game this year? Not to win or anything but they still scored.

Gary Parkes No 5 back in the 1970’s. Indigenous blood somewhere in the family.

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.

Ta for that.
Seems odd to me, but I’m not sure why. Maybe it’s unique to footy.

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.

Ta for that.
Seems odd to me, but I’m not sure why. Maybe it’s unique to footy.

Basketball - so long as you get the shot off before the buzzer it counts.
American football - as long as the play starts before clock hits 0 it counts.
Rugby Union - I think can carry on after the final siren until the next “dead ball”
League - no idea. Presumably the same as Union.

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.

Ta for that.
Seems odd to me, but I’m not sure why. Maybe it’s unique to footy.

Basketball - so long as you get the shot off before the buzzer it counts.
American football - as long as the play starts before clock hits 0 it counts.
Rugby Union - I think can carry on after the final siren until the next “dead ball”
League - no idea. Presumably the same as Union.

But I’m talking about the ball not touching anything including the ground. In BB, the shot cannot hit the floor and bounce up into the ring. Or can it? You’ve mentioned ‘play’ there, but I’m specifically talking about touching the ground before travelling over the line, the whistle/siren having ended.

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.

Ta for that.
Seems odd to me, but I’m not sure why. Maybe it’s unique to footy.

Basketball - so long as you get the shot off before the buzzer it counts.
American football - as long as the play starts before clock hits 0 it counts.
Rugby Union - I think can carry on after the final siren until the next “dead ball”
League - no idea. Presumably the same as Union.

But I’m talking about the ball not touching anything including the ground. In BB, the shot cannot hit the floor and bounce up into the ring. Or can it? You’ve mentioned ‘play’ there, but I’m specifically talking about touching the ground before travelling over the line, the whistle/siren having ended.

I remember one game at etihad i dont remember what year but pre 2007. Mark Mcveigh had a shot at goal just outside 50 after the first quarter. He kicked an ugly torp. But it bounced in the goal square and all the essendon players managed to keep the opposition from touching it and it bounced through for a goal.

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.

What about touched on the goal line as it travels through the air between the goal posts? Point or no score?

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.

What about touched on the goal line as it travels through the air between the goal posts? Point or no score?

If it brushes fingers, yes.
If you change the direction/momentum of the ball, no.

It only now occurs to me that this seems a little vague.
Surely any touch at all changes the momentum.
I think it needs to be a deliberate um…huh…still seems vague…

Geez guys. The rule is that it can’t be helped over (touched) by the scoring team. The defending team CAN touch it and it’s still a score.

A good example of this was in the 2007 game we won by a point when McPhee kicked to McVeigh from the third row of seats. “I’m as dumb as a” Spider Everitt unnecessarily punched through a point for us from a long Lucas set shot after the three quarter time siren. The goal ump ump was originally going to call no score, but the field ump must have have heard me going full Fark Carlton 150 metres away, and corrected him. Without that point we wouldn’t have won.

(Apologies to spiders.)

Geez guys. The rule is that it can't be helped over (touched) by the scoring team. The defending team CAN touch it and it's still a score.

A good example of this was in the 2007 game we won by a point when McPhee kicked to McVeigh from the third row of seats. “I’m as dumb as a” Spider Everitt unnecessarily punched through a point for us from a long Lucas set shot after the three quarter time siren. The goal ump ump was originally going to call no score, but the field ump must have have heard me going full Fark Carlton 150 metres away, and corrected him. Without that point we wouldn’t have won.

(Apologies to spiders.)

Not to be picky but helped over and touched are not the same thing.

If the ball comes off a pack, they have to determine if it was only touched by defenders. They can now go to video review for that, so there shouldn’t be much reason to get it wrong.

Geez guys. The rule is that it can't be helped over (touched) by the scoring team. The defending team CAN touch it and it's still a score.

A good example of this was in the 2007 game we won by a point when McPhee kicked to McVeigh from the third row of seats. “I’m as dumb as a” Spider Everitt unnecessarily punched through a point for us from a long Lucas set shot after the three quarter time siren. The goal ump ump was originally going to call no score, but the field ump must have have heard me going full Fark Carlton 150 metres away, and corrected him. Without that point we wouldn’t have won.

(Apologies to spiders.)

Not to be picky but helped over and touched are not the same thing.

You’re so picky.

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.

Ta for that.
Seems odd to me, but I’m not sure why. Maybe it’s unique to footy.

Basketball - so long as you get the shot off before the buzzer it counts.
American football - as long as the play starts before clock hits 0 it counts.
Rugby Union - I think can carry on after the final siren until the next “dead ball”
League - no idea. Presumably the same as Union.

But I’m talking about the ball not touching anything including the ground. In BB, the shot cannot hit the floor and bounce up into the ring. Or can it? You’ve mentioned ‘play’ there, but I’m specifically talking about touching the ground before travelling over the line, the whistle/siren having ended.

Ah, right.

In that case… uh… the only… um…

Fark. I dunno. It probably is unique. Soccer and hockey are the only other games I can think of where you score a goal with balls on the ground (be mature, blitz), and soccer doesn’t have a count down clock. Hockey I have no idea on the ruling.

https://www.instagram./p/BOOJfA0hNwyZYpEPDPLcrntmSyntybU06wuw3s0/ It's on the wall at the new facility. It's a pity Russell Williams wasn't included though. Three games in 1994. Not on the poster.

He had ginger hair, but was definitely an Indigenous player.
Here’s his first game, he kicks his first goal at 1:45 of the video.
https://www.youtube/watch?v=1QkuuvnE6I0

Just as an aside - am I wrong in thinking that if the siren goes, a ball travelling through the air would need to clear the goal line on the full to be a goal, not ‘bounce through’??

No the act of play is the kick, not the bounce.
A goal can be scored from a rolling or bouncing ball, after the siren so long as it was kicked before the siren no-one touches it before or after.

Ta for that.
Seems odd to me, but I’m not sure why. Maybe it’s unique to footy.

Basketball - so long as you get the shot off before the buzzer it counts.
American football - as long as the play starts before clock hits 0 it counts.
Rugby Union - I think can carry on after the final siren until the next “dead ball”
League - no idea. Presumably the same as Union.

But I’m talking about the ball not touching anything including the ground. In BB, the shot cannot hit the floor and bounce up into the ring. Or can it? You’ve mentioned ‘play’ there, but I’m specifically talking about touching the ground before travelling over the line, the whistle/siren having ended.

Ah, right.

In that case… uh… the only… um…

Fark. I dunno. It probably is unique. Soccer and hockey are the only other games I can think of where you score a goal with balls on the ground (be mature, blitz), and soccer doesn’t have a count down clock. Hockey I have no idea on the ruling.

In soccer it’s the ref’s call - he won’t whistle before the ball has settled. I’ve never seen whistle while the ball was travelling through the air, and I’d imaging hockey is similar - though I hate the sport. Basketball has a clock, like waterpolo and footy, so timing is absolute. That’s why what happens afterwards is crucial.