Game review: saints v Dons

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You can be scathing of goddards onfield performances, but off field has been a god send for us. dodga you're so out of touch its not even funny.

How is he different to Ryder. Go

Ask Scott Watters. BJ, like Cooney this year was pushed out of the club to make space in their salary cap.

I thought he had a 3 year contract offer. If I’m wrong I apologise. I consider any player who leaves his club disloyal though. Its not just him. Its guys like Gibson, Greg Williams, Judd. I just don’t rate them as highly as leaders. He’s been good since he got here considering the crap he walked into. I probably should soften my stance on people moving clubs for money. Its just the way it is nowdays.

It’s not being “disloyal”. Football is their job and they’re entitled to seek more money. There was nothing wrong with Ryder doing this but the grubby carnt couldn’t even wait for his contract to finish and used the saga as an excuse. Hence, why we don’t resent Crameri.

*as much

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You can be scathing of goddards onfield performances, but off field has been a god send for us. dodga you're so out of touch its not even funny.

How is he different to Ryder. Go

Ask Scott Watters. BJ, like Cooney this year was pushed out of the club to make space in their salary cap.

I thought he had a 3 year contract offer. If I’m wrong I apologise. I consider any player who leaves his club disloyal though. Its not just him. Its guys like Gibson, Greg Williams, Judd. I just don’t rate them as highly as leaders. He’s been good since he got here considering the crap he walked into. I probably should soften my stance on people moving clubs for money. Its just the way it is nowdays.

It’s not being “disloyal”. Football is their job and they’re entitled to seek more money. There was nothing wrong with Ryder doing this but the grubby carnt couldn’t even wait for his contract to finish and used the saga as an excuse. Hence, why we don’t resent Crameri.

*as much

for me, with crameri its that he was our diamond in the rough we found. it was like your favourite toy being given to your cousin because hes a loser.

When you do the same thing over and keep failing, whether by a little or a lot, you start doing things differently to try and get a different result.

Maybe yesterday was just our breaking point, where we just didn’t know what to do, ran out of ideas, ran out of hope. As the game was lost, so was any hope of finals.

Going into the bye after such a disappointing first half of the year, our heads would have been down and we would have tried really hard to freshen up and come back with a new positive outlook and a bit of confidence.

But during this time we lose Colyer and Bellchambers, and then we come out to play Hawks and get outclassed after giving ourselves some hope in the first half. Sure we “came back” in the last quarter but the game was well lost in the 3rdm our players knew it and they realised all the positivity they’d built up was bull ■■■■.

To top it all off they lose Carlisle for god knows how long, and so the structure of the team gets mixed up even further and everyone feels out of place. Then it’s Jobe’s 200th and they failed massively, and everything just turned to ■■■■■.

Back to basics, start rebuilding.

Hire is getting paid a million a year. This year and the next. If he gets fired he’ll get over it.

Hire is getting paid a million a year. This year and the next. If he gets fired he'll get over it.

right…

Hire is getting paid a million a year. This year and the next. If he gets fired he'll get over it.

Yeah, because it’s always about the money for everyone, isn’t it?

The whole WADA thing is a convenient excuse for the club of excuses. Our descent into garbage even started before that announcement was made anyway. The Hird experiment has worked wonders though hasn;t it lol. Who would of thought a coach with no experience stepping into the head coaching position would be a failure, nothing prepared us for just how much of a failure it would be though.

So is a mother drinking too much during pregnancy but still, here you are.

Considering they had 3 possessions for our 1 in the last half, any non kp player with 3 or fewer tackles for the match needs a good hard look at themselves.

Zacha worked so hard to get himself back in the leadership group but 1 tackle doesn’t show leadership. It’s time to bring little Zerrett into our leadership group. He is a player I would play for!

Zacca is a one trick pony.

This. Too much of a one-way motorway…looks great when running towards goal, thats it though

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You can be scathing of goddards onfield performances, but off field has been a god send for us. dodga you're so out of touch its not even funny.

How is he different to Ryder. Go

Ask Scott Watters. BJ, like Cooney this year was pushed out of the club to make space in their salary cap.

I thought he had a 3 year contract offer. If I’m wrong I apologise. I consider any player who leaves his club disloyal though. Its not just him. Its guys like Gibson, Greg Williams, Judd. I just don’t rate them as highly as leaders. He’s been good since he got here considering the crap he walked into. I probably should soften my stance on people moving clubs for money. Its just the way it is nowdays.

It’s not being “disloyal”. Football is their job and they’re entitled to seek more money. There was nothing wrong with Ryder doing this but the grubby carnt couldn’t even wait for his contract to finish and used the saga as an excuse. Hence, why we don’t resent Crameri.


Goddard was offered a haircut whilst they offered all their oldies (including Koschitzke FFS) money.
Who wouldn’t leave?

I’d go:

Out: Cooney (inj), Watson (inj), Dempsey, Gwilt, Kavanagh

In: Hocking, Browne, Langford, Laverde, Dalgleish

Crameri dropped, Ryder 3 possessions, Monfries 9 possessions(two lowest for PA team)

It’s a similar story for all involved.

Very interesting.
Wonder if something new has happened in the last couple of weeks with the investigation that has put the boys off even further?

Normally when we start playing badly, we find out later the players have been given bad news.
Considering they had 3 possessions for our 1 in the last half, any non kp player with 3 or fewer tackles for the match needs a good hard look at themselves.

Zacha worked so hard to get himself back in the leadership group but 1 tackle doesn’t show leadership. It’s time to bring little Zerrett into our leadership group. He is a player I would play for!

Zacca is a one trick pony. </blockquote This. Too much of a one-way motorway...looks great when running towards goal, thats it though
That's right you nailed it but it doesn't happen often enough.
I'd go:

Out: Cooney (inj), Watson (inj), Dempsey, Gwilt, Kavanagh

In: Hocking, Browne, Langford, Laverde, Dalgleish

And you prefer NO’B over Gwilt ? ??? MMMMMM not at the last 2 games i went to…

Agree with what others have said about our gameplan. From round 1 our gameplan seemed to be create numbers around the stoppages and create a real contest. When we did have the ball we would play it safe, hence teams struggled to kick big scores against us, but we also struggled to kick scores ourselves considering our lack of forward line.

Due to criticism, Hird changed the gameplan, obviously advising the players to ‘take the game on and use the corridor’ however, we simply don’t have the players to execute such a plan, because most of our mids are slow or lack the skills, we often handball to stationary targets or get run down, causing turnovers and opposition goals. How many times did one of our players take a mark, wheel around, hand ball it off to someone surrounded by st kilda players without even analysing the situation first! it was bananas. I feel as if the players are almost looking over coached, trying desperately to do what the coaches have said without actually playing their natural game.

Good post and agree. Hird changing things up hasn’t really improved the situation and is serving only to cost Hurley & Hooker any chance of A-A. Read somewhere that we’ve kicked our lowest scores on average since 1927.

Gotta go back to go forward.

To blame our gameplan for yesterday’s loss is just rubbish. Do you think that’s how Hird wants the team to play?

A footbal team is a bunch of moving parts. The very best teams move in unison, and with an economy of effort. Now it takes a lot of science to configure a team to that optimal level, where everyone moves to where they’re meant to move, disposes of the ball when and how they’re supposed to, to team mates who have moved to the designated position. It’s hard to get that right when you’re dealing with human beings, and not cogs. This is why we have training drills, to make it instinctive.

Unfortunately we have a team that has been demoralised by the ongoing saga and the looming WADA appeal. Anyone who denies that has their head up their ■■■■, a heart the size of a pea, or both. They’re suffering mentally, and no doubt some would be classified as being depressed.

What happens in that state is your mind gets clouded. You don’t think as quickly or as clearly as you do normally. Your decision making is all over the shop, your ability to follow instructions handicapped. On top of which it takes a physical toll, and destroys motivation.

Now, you tell me, what do you think that does to a gameplan? That’s right, ■■■■■ it up completely.

I was watching yesterday and it was clear right from the start just from our set-up around the stoppages that we were well off. The players know better. The coaches know better. The problem is that they no longer function effectively, and so structures, team disciplines, decision making, sheer want, all go out the window. That’s what you saw yesterday, the perfect storm of mental impairment.

Now I think there are some valid criticisms of the coaching staff - team selection for one, and often matchday tactics - but I can attribute little blame to them regarding the performance yesterday.

As it was there was little the coaching staff could do. No point ranting or raving. I smile when I read exhortations to work harder. That’s not going to work. It’s gone beyond standard coaching. This is about man management, and it’s very tough from here on in.

Unless they pick up mentally I’d be inclined to simplify our gameplan to something that the players don’t need to think about too much. Back to basics. The players already have information overload dealing with the implications of the WADA appeal. Keep it simple.

Right now the club as a whole is in survival mode. Everyone just needs to hanfg tough because panicking isn’t going to help. Need to stabilise and if needs be make the hard decisions at seasons end. Stay strong, and support our boys.

in retrospect, this result actually excites me more than the win over hawthorn in rd2.
The hawks game gave a lot of the list the get out of jail free card which we see them present a couple of times a season. the sort of win that glosses over the fact the list is nowhere near where it should be. emotion will only take a side so far and i think we’ve seen how far it will get us now.
in this week’s loss to st kilda, the passengers/dead weight have been exposed and have nowhere to hide now. a loss like this encourages the hard calls that have to be made at the end of the season.
hopefully sentimentality is thrown out the window and the coaches/list managers do what needs to be done rather than persisting with talent that quite frankly was never there or never will be (many examples have already been named in previous posts).
we always knew a rebuild would come sooner or later, i’m glad we’ve realised that now rather than in a couple of years time.

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You can be scathing of goddards onfield performances, but off field has been a god send for us. dodga you're so out of touch its not even funny.

How is he different to Ryder. Go

Ask Scott Watters. BJ, like Cooney this year was pushed out of the club to make space in their salary cap.

I thought he had a 3 year contract offer. If I’m wrong I apologise. I consider any player who leaves his club disloyal though. Its not just him. Its guys like Gibson, Greg Williams, Judd. I just don’t rate them as highly as leaders. He’s been good since he got here considering the crap he walked into. I probably should soften my stance on people moving clubs for money. Its just the way it is nowdays.

It’s not being “disloyal”. Football is their job and they’re entitled to seek more money. There was nothing wrong with Ryder doing this but the grubby carnt couldn’t even wait for his contract to finish and used the saga as an excuse. Hence, why we don’t resent Crameri.

*as much

for me, with crameri its that he was our diamond in the rough we found. it was like your favourite toy being given to your cousin because hes a loser.

Turned that diamond jn the rough into a little gold nugget Zach Merrett. If Afl ■■■■■■ didn’t steal our first rd pick we could have another young gun like him.

To blame our gameplan for yesterday's loss is just rubbish. Do you think that's how Hird wants the team to play?

A footbal team is a bunch of moving parts. The very best teams move in unison, and with an economy of effort. Now it takes a lot of science to configure a team to that optimal level, where everyone moves to where they’re meant to move, disposes of the ball when and how they’re supposed to, to team mates who have moved to the designated position. It’s hard to get that right when you’re dealing with human beings, and not cogs. This is why we have training drills, to make it instinctive.

Unfortunately we have a team that has been demoralised by the ongoing saga and the looming WADA appeal. Anyone who denies that has their head up their ■■■■, a heart the size of a pea, or both. They’re suffering mentally, and no doubt some would be classified as being depressed.

What happens in that state is your mind gets clouded. You don’t think as quickly or as clearly as you do normally. Your decision making is all over the shop, your ability to follow instructions handicapped. On top of which it takes a physical toll, and destroys motivation.

Now, you tell me, what do you think that does to a gameplan? That’s right, ■■■■■ it up completely.

I was watching yesterday and it was clear right from the start just from our set-up around the stoppages that we were well off. The players know better. The coaches know better. The problem is that they no longer function effectively, and so structures, team disciplines, decision making, sheer want, all go out the window. That’s what you saw yesterday, the perfect storm of mental impairment.

Now I think there are some valid criticisms of the coaching staff - team selection for one, and often matchday tactics - but I can attribute little blame to them regarding the performance yesterday.

As it was there was little the coaching staff could do. No point ranting or raving. I smile when I read exhortations to work harder. That’s not going to work. It’s gone beyond standard coaching. This is about man management, and it’s very tough from here on in.

Unless they pick up mentally I’d be inclined to simplify our gameplan to something that the players don’t need to think about too much. Back to basics. The players already have information overload dealing with the implications of the WADA appeal. Keep it simple.

Right now the club as a whole is in survival mode. Everyone just needs to hanfg tough because panicking isn’t going to help. Need to stabilise and if needs be make the hard decisions at seasons end. Stay strong, and support our boys.

it's all well and good to say the saga is affecting them, blind freddy could see that. it's how you handle it that's the issue.

if a warning light comes up in your car and you do nothing about it and the engine blows up, who’s fault is it ?

There’s been warning signs most of the season that players, even ones who aren’t affected directly by the saga, have been struggling, but what’s changed in the 2 hours it matters most ?

Hird could be holding them together behind closed doors to which none of us see, and it’s prolly true, but ultimately it’s not making any difference again in the 2 hours it matters most.
so if they can’t perform what they are supposed to, them remove them from the equation. Sell it however you want but get them away from the starting 22 every weekend.

this is the issue though, how does a guy who’s mostly/at least half to blame for putting them in this situation, turn around and tell them they aren’t doing enough or shouldn’t be in the side ?
he’s in a compromised position where he can’t go too hard on them because of guilt, which leads to a meek approach of allowing sub par performances which turn into what we saw yesterday.

the club atm is in self pity mode. they don’t want to hurt the poor players more by simply telling them they aren’t doing enough, nor do they want to remove the players from the team incase that makes them feel worse.

the players have the right to feel whatever they are and suffering what they are. but the club also has the right to say that’s fair enough but we still need to be focussing on improving and trying to win, if you can’t do that at present that’s fine but don’t be here and hold everyone else back.

we always knew a rebuild would come sooner or later, i'm glad we've realised that now rather than in a couple of years time.

Really? Wasn’t expecting a rebuild so soon. Excluding Fletch we’re only middle-of-the competition for oldness.

Carlton and North need rebuilds, we need to get our ■■■■ sorted.

we always knew a rebuild would come sooner or later, i'm glad we've realised that now rather than in a couple of years time.

Really? Wasn’t expecting a rebuild so soon. Excluding Fletch we’re only middle-of-the competition for oldness.

Carlton and North need rebuilds, we need to get our ■■■■ sorted.

we’re no different to them now. in fact we look worse off. we invested in getting old blokes to the club to try and have a crack at a flag within the next two years which appears painfully out of reach. there is no need for the likes of cooney, chapman, gwilt, winderlich, fletch and co to stay on for another year given they won’t get a shot at the premiership. we basically wasted a spot on the list by talking winderlich out of retirement who has so far added one game to his tally from the end of last year (not his fault).
if we persisted for another year with the same old crew, albeit a year older, and failed miserably again, who knows who we may have missed from the upcoming draft as a result of keeping plodders.