General AFLW comments and articles

Yep. I think they were hoping women or girls (or @theDJR …) who weren’t into men’s AFL into footy in general through the AFLW, get them supporting an AFLW club, and hope that in some cases the involvement would transfer from the women’s team to the associated men’s team.

I suspect if it’s worked that way the numbers have been pretty minor. The one couple i know who got into footy via AFLW still don’t give a damn about the men’s game. But hey, we’re talking Norf here - even if one person joined up through this pathway, it’s a significant boost to their bottom line…

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A bit of a puff-piece using each team’s words, but:

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I know you’ve probably been asked before, but how would you rate our setup compared to the more established teams?

How would we fare if we were brought into the league in 22, would there be a lot of changes? do you see any key players/personnel leaving if it takes longer to join the big time?

The best VFLW team (minus their top-ups) would be regularly squashed by the worst AFLW team.

Our AFLW team will be very different to our VFLW team (and that’s with an assumption that we are allowed to transfer our choice of VFLW players without drafting them).

The coaches have repeatedly said we are currently a development team – young players come in, and then go out to the AFLW (e.g. Georgia Patrikios helped drag a middling team to a few big wins in 2019, then got drafted by the Saints and has won back-to-back B&Fs there). Luckily for us the system is not perfect: e.g. we shouldn’t have Nanscawen, Barba, or Frew (those three are very different ages and stories – ironically the youngest in Barba likely has the most footy experience. I’ve added some stuff on Frew to the VFLW articles thread).

Broad assessment: we currently have, injury aside, an excellent backline. If we stacked our midfield at the expense of the forward line we have a competitive midfield (starting with the three named above). Nalder in the ruck very rarely gets beaten but isn’t a driving force for the midfield. When our midfield isn’t on top and delivering it on a platter, our forward line is overall quite poor.

EDIT: if our midfield was delivering, Clifford and Frew might be 1-2 on the league goal tally though! I know that sounds contrary, but…

What we DO have, and this has been on display in the last two weeks as we play quasi-AFLW teams, is grit. First two quarters of this year aside, we do NOT let anyone play the game they want to; we pressure and scrap, and as noted previously we now never let the opposition score blow out.

They don’t do Essington. Even when we were getting murdered in our first year, the application and spirit was always there (even if we had to carry the likes of cough Gabby Gold).

We are now the best “stand-alone” team by a long way – this wasn’t always the case. When I was recently setting up the history of who has played for us – the reason I can tell you that Eloise Ashley-Cooper is set to play her 25th VFLW game this week – I was very strongly reminded of how many players we burnt through early while looking for vague competence.

As a guide, last week we played 6 teenagers, 9 players between 20 and 25, and 6 oldies. Only one player (our oldest, Mia-Rae Clifford) had any significant AFLW experience. The coming generation of women footballers is, on average, going to destroy those who came earlier, as something resembling a chance to continually develop during their teenage years didn’t arise until after the below:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/girls-banned-from-football/news-story/7beceb6a6b2a0004f93016a548653a9d

We lost very significant players this year (e.g. Hicks, Bullas, Collier, Warburton, Audley, Svarc+Ahrens, Tiwi talent, and late inclusions including Patrikios, Anderson, and Petrevski). That we stand stronger than ever is an absolute credit to the club and the girls.

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To expand on the above, here is a points-conceded table this year (the 47 was our first game of the year).

The points-for is not as good for us.

Not sure if Darebin have any AFLW players. Everyone else, including the other non-aligned teams, has us covered easily on that front.

Ha, the Bulldogs went from 99 to 10 in two weeks… we met them after they replaced 11 of their players.

Good to see that, even on a good day, Fark Carlton sucks.

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BRING

PRESPAKIS AND GILLARD

IN.

FFS.

And for the record, here’s the points-for equivalent. Our last two weeks, versus AFLW-standard midfields and minus Frew, have been our worst (before then, we actually had the best “worst score” in the league).

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Puff piece on behalf of the Bin Chickens.

Applications for inclusion end of 2022 (rather than the end of 2023) are due this Friday.

And now the Hawthorn puff piece. Port should be tomorrow, followed by the main event.

I’m not convinced they will give us a puff piece.

We’re not the main event (Port to come) and apparently stories on the AFL website don’t automatically appear in publishing order (the Hawks remain as the banner story).

Boring article, apart from the little bit of snark about us playing for a Grand Final spot this weekend.


Simone Nalder (C) of Essendon celebrates after kicking a goal during round 14, 2021. Picture: AFL Photos

ESSENDON is hoping the momentum from its current maiden VFLW finals campaign will roll on into an AFLW licence.

The Bombers are one of four teams submitting an application this week, with presentations to be held shortly before the AFL Commission is due to make a decision next month.

Womens.afl spoke to Essendon’s general manager of football Josh Mahoney – who was previously involved in the creation of Melbourne’s AFLW side – about the Bombers’ campaign.

Over the following week, womens.afl will profile the four clubs applying for an AFLW licence, with bids due on Friday.


Georgia Nanscawen and Alana Barba of the Essendon Bombers pose for a photo during the 2021 VFLW Finals Media Opportunity. Picture: AFL Photos

Application history

Like Hawthorn, Essendon opted not to apply for a licence in 2016, at the time still dealing with the fallout from the supplements saga.

The Bombers applied in the 2017 round (which resulted in a two-stage roll-out over the 2019 and 2020 seasons).

They were unsuccessful, and entered a team in the VFLW for the first time in 2018.

Why they’re confident

Essendon has been watching on carefully as six sides made their entry to the AFLW across the 2019 and 2020 seasons.

“The benefit of that is we’ve had some additional time to prepare. We want to make sure we’re ready to go when we do get the nod, and make an impact from season one,” Mahoney said.

"We’ve got a lot of internal working groups, the club’s really invested in it and we certainly have used this time effectively.

"One of the advantages is all the learnings we can gather from other AFLW programs – things they’ve done well and things they haven’t done so well, in terms of their environment, their integration, their coaching, their list.

“So, there are a lot of benefits we can get out of looking at teams who have gone before us as well.”


Ruby Svarc of Essendon kicks the ball during the round 14, 2021. Picture: AFL Photos

Background in women’s footy

Essendon had a rocky start in the VFLW, winning just one game and finishing last in its first season in 2018.

There were steady gains made in 2019 with six wins, finishing ninth of 13 sides, while this weekend the Bombers have a chance to qualify for a Grand Final in a slightly complex finals series.

"Watching them at the start of the year, to see their improvement through the year, their attitude towards getting better, it’s really given us an insight into what the club will be like with an AFLW program.

"I think year on year, there’s learnings on how to improve the program.

“They’re a group who have played together for a number of years now, and I think every year, the coaching’s got better, their form’s gotten better, their fitness has gotten better, so over that time, I think that’s where the improvement has come from.”


Essendon players huddle at the three-quarter time break during round eight, 2021. Picture: AFL Photos

Selling points

Essendon has built strong links through the north-western corridor in Melbourne, including with powerful NAB League club Calder Cannons.

The club is also keen on further developing its First Nations program in the Northern Territory, which has seen some players take to the field with the VFLW side over the past few years.

“We’ve had a great relationship with Calder Cannons and Bendigo Pioneers, and we want to really build on that now and our Next Generation Academy region, which is the north-west,” Mahoney said.

"It is a big football area, and we’ve still got so much growth and potential within that as well. It’s an important part of our bid, that we grow the game and want to invest into that region, as well as our First Nations program in the Northern Territory.

"We think that’s really important, the more we invest in that, the more it’s going to benefit the league and Essendon.

“We’re also in a very fortunate position where we’ve got some amazing facilities here which have just been finished. They’re brand new, they’re exclusive to our women’s program and have been integrated into the Hanger.”


Essendon run out during round one, 2019. Picture: AFL Photos

Why they should be included

With a large, passionate supporter base behind it, Essendon is raring to get a start in the NAB AFLW competition.

Like the other three clubs, the Bombers feel an AFLW team will complete them.

“I’ve been involved in the build of a different club in Melbourne, and while you can’t take a cookie-cutter approach to each club, I’ve certainly had some experience in that area,” Mahoney said.

"I’ve seen first-hand the positive impact an AFLW team has on a club, not only across the whole club but particularly in the footy department, so I’m looking forward to having that here at Essendon.

"Overall, we’ve had time. So, we’ve got facilities, commercial support and the overall investment and buy-in by the club – which we’ve seen through the VFLW team – suggests we’re ready to go.

“We’re just waiting for the decision to be made, and hopefully we don’t have too much longer to wait.”

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He’s gone pretty hard pretty early with this

OH NO!

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Fark Port, propped up by the AFL and still don’t have 2 cents to rub together. They should be the last the get a team but you just know the AFL will be wanting to hobble the Crows

“We never bothered before, and the SANFLW told us to nick off, but we were working hard on China so you could have junkets!”

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Best of luck EFC. :crossed_fingers:

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