Why should it be reconsidered? You are so black and white. You call out anyone who has a different point of view to subject/s dear to your heart, to be punished etc,etc,etc.
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What “movement” are you referring to?
that’s all politics . the race of who can be most disgusted and most outraged .
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The Opera House wasn’t a peaceful protest. There was anti semitic chants abd burning of flags and it was allowed to happen. Police didn’t act and didn’t arrest those involved. We pay the price for weak leadership response to this day.
If you think those scenes at the Opera House were acceptable and absolutely fine then that view is emblematic of the gravity of our societal problem.
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As reported by the MSM ( including the ABC and SMH) police forensic evidence of the vids found no evidence of chants of ‘gas the Jews) despite some witnesses claiming that there were such chants.
I’m pretty sure this is not illegal in Australia.
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Yeah, and that’s why we have a problem today. There was hate speech that night. I think the sympathisers and and the police were complicit and failed to confront the issue. I think your view is a symptom of our challenge. Turning a blind eye to what really happened, not confronting the problem and preferring to side with the mob. Hate speech was evident that night as was burning flags etc.
If the governments and the police took a very hard approach early on, strengthening laws, moving protesters anlong and ruthlessly arresting those who broke laws via forensic investigations, I think the events like last week could have been avoided. Alas, here we are.
Really sounds like something that should be.
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Uh oh.
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Bob Vylan is scheduled to perform in Australia in January, as a support act for Amyl and the Sniffers
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The idea that this bloke - who has emerged 18 months after the start of Hamas / Israel conflict - to set fire to a synagogue door ( and its probably more related to the Israel bombing of Iran given his reputed nationality ) would have been deterred by stronger political messaging is utterly fanciful.
Oh, I didn’t realize setting fire to this place would be considered illegal or reprehensible. But I would have if Albanese had said so more often.
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Anti semitism has become the handiest political slogan for the unhinged right lately. It doesn’t surprise that the usual suspects here are brandishing it so keenly. If you advocate for free speech or the rights of people to protest mass death you are automatically a Jew hater and a friend of an extremist minority. It helps that the subject of the ongoing murder of civilians is off limits. Oddly my Jewish mates of 40 years, including my ex gf, aren’t coming down like bricks on me for sharing my despair at the situation, they are to a person horrified by what the government of Israel has done in retaliation to the evil of Hamas. Must be the circles you move in hey? I don’t like bringing the personal into these things but there is a real tendency here to do so in order to bolster moral position, and to assume those with opposing viewpoints are anti human in some respect. It’s infantile and insulting.
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To those that suffer anti-semitism it isn’t a handy political slogan.
A recent NSW report (posted on the ABC) showed that AS is rising in Australia.
It is a real thing. And not every politician is using it as a slogan, some are actually concerned by this rise and how to stop it.
It’s equally infantile and insulting to keep using peoples concerns about AS as some sort of slogan about politicians and people being unhinged. People have a right to be concerned when they suffer from something.
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You didn’t respond to me but I assume this is responding to me? Where have I questioned anyone’s right to express their experience of ‘AS’? We have a poster here who has regularly gone to great effort to let everyone know his wife is Jewish, his sister is a psychologist, he has Ukrainian relatives, basically any subject he can wax on he’s got skin in the game. He refers to Tony ‘Burka’. He and his doppleganger poster dmaplestone only ever post on the subject to highlight perceived weaknesses in the ALP response to what are concerning but relatively minor incidents of anti Israel type. They are mock in arms about chants at music festivals but have nothing to offer on actual neo nazi militias growing at pace here and abroad, and indeed appear to support the political parties that create ideal conditions for them. Where is your scorn for this behaviour? I suspect the main reason the subject is largely off limits is because it boils down to opposing religions which is a the heart of most conflicts that bedevil the planet and spill horrifically into the secular world, and which makes any debate impossibly difficult.
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See, maybe just post that and not the other one.
I have raised concerns about them not condemning right-wing enough. Just ask Dmaps, he’ll tell you I have.
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I stand by the other post. The Trump administration has weaponised anti-semitism to a grotesque degree. The LNP under Dutton was shameless in its employment. Some posters here are continuing with the convenience. It’s bullshit and if you’ve given it to that poster I’m glad, they deserve it.
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The thing is Loflyer, I agree (a little bit) that not enough was initially done to try and stop what was happening in the beginning. Legitimate protests were being hijacked and then it grew from there. The police were actively stopping Jewish people from going to certain places “for the own safety”. If it is that unsafe then go in there and make it safe, don’t start excluding people, it leads to some horrible places.
However, I think that overall the police and politicians have been working very hard to try and stop this but, unfortunately, if people really want to act out, they will. If people are racist, discriminatory, etc in their hearts you can’t really change that easily.
It’s like the attempts to clamp down on Indigenous racism, the more you try the more it seems to get worse. It drives people to keep acting out and sometimes it sadly gets to a violent place.
So how do you find a balance between free speech and stopping people? Always tough for the leaders of the day when it is happening.
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Speaking of what do Governments do in these situations…
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Yep.
And the issue for your average Jewish person in the street is that it’s become such a political hotspot that the problem has been magnified by all sorts of opportunists. When you hear of an incidence of antisemitism, especially if it’s couched in terms of statistics of ‘number of incidents’, you have almost no way knowing whether it’s:
- genuine antisemitism from people who genuinely hate Jewish people.
- opposition to Israeli policy, which has been conflated with racial hate by those compiling the statistics
- faked incidents by third parties for unrelated reasons, like the stuff in nsw about the bomb making facility that turned out to be a criminal enterprise
- faked incidents by homegrown accelerationists or Russian etc online intel/propaganda ops, who have an interest in increasing tensions and don’t care who gets hurt in the process-
- faked incidents by people supporting Israeli policy, in the hopes of discrediting its opponents. Like the faked audio of ‘gas the Jews’ edited in over footage of the Sydney protests, or all the ■■■■ that unbelievably scummy but impeccably politically well-connected Ofir guy gets up to
Thing is, if you’re just the average Jewish person in the street trying to go about your own life peacefully, you don’t really have an alternative but to treat all of the above as legit threats unless they’re conclusively proven otherwise. It’s your (and your family’s) safety at stake, after all.
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Agree with most of that. The other aspect of the wilful politicisation of a subject is that like a spot fire given lots of oxygen and encouraging bracken by bad faith agents it becomes a lot bigger than it ever needed to be and draws effort and attention away from more pressing issues