Correct!!
That’s the right test
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I vaguely recall something like ‘I’ immediately followed by a verb or connected to a verb as in Who am I?
‘Me’ never
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This rule would change:
“Please tell John I will be at the park”
to:
“Please tell me be at the park”.
hmmm…
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We’ve come a long way since that Pelaco ad ‘Me tinkit it fit’ featuring the then Bambi Shmith
( That’s the way the New Australians and the picaninnies were supposed to speak).
The rule only works when you’re referring to yourself and another party ‘as one unit/grouping’, not in the context above.
But it’s a lot easier than whatever @bigallan was taught. That just sounds confusing.
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Yes, I just presented a counter-example to the espoused rule.
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Here is a little rhyme that might help, l k/hope it does.
“I comes before the V,
After the V use me.”
No. The rule applies where both John and I are governed by the same verb and are in the accusative case.
In your example John is accusative and governed by “tell”, whereas “I” is nominative and governs “will”. “John” and “I” are in different clauses.
In “Please tell John and me to go to the park”, both “John”and “me” are the objects of “tell”.
In “Please tell John [that] I will. Be at the park”, there are two separate clauses (propositions); John is the object of tell and “I” is the subject of “will”.
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John and me, John and I !!!
Who is looking after Betty ???
Spot!
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Isn’t it just:
- ‘I’ when you are the subject of a verb,
- ‘me’ when you are the object of a verb, and
- ‘myself’ when you are the object of a verb of which you are also the subject.
I paid Jack and Bert.
Jack paid Bert and me.
I paid myself.
That it should ‘sound right’ without the other party is a good test, though.
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Well I’ll go he
There often seems to be the misconception that when you are grouped with another person it is always “I”, like “John and me” automatically sounds bad, without any consideration of the sentence structure.
I even heard it used somewhere recently as a comedic takedown of another person, correcting their grammar to “so-and-so and I” even though that was incorrect.
I literally took the time to stop and smell the roses today…
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Amazing. A thread for Gramma Nazzis on a foosball forum. I’m in!
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All of the roses?
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Only a small selection.
Geelong Botanic Gardens.
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If you put back the implied ‘that’ between ‘John’ and ‘I’, there won’t be a problem. The second part is a noun clause.
French and Spanish always include the ‘que’, pronounced differently from each other, to separate the clauses.
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I haven’t checked, but I’m reasonably confident that Collingwood don’t have anything equivalent to this thread.
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