The I.S. showcasing beheading is all about spin and posturing, to achieve the reactions that have happened and are yet to happen. There reasoning is unclear, at least to me, but beheading is normal for that part of the world. The Saudis knock off their criminals and political enemies that way all the time. Dead is dead whether it's from being stabbed to death by a bullet or having your head removed with a sharp knife. People on here who know about killing sheep will also know that the humans killed in this way by the IS would be totally dead within two or at most, three seconds. Anyway, my point is that the head removal focus is not the issue. The issue for me is we should not be getting involved in any way at all, except humanitarian. It has been said that certain politicians in Australia, from both sides of the argument, have blood on their hands from the last stupid foray into the Middle East. Perhaps it's now a case of in for a penny, in for a pound.
yes let them kill each other and just sit back and feel superior and do nothing, pretty much the same philosophy that was used by appeasers to Hitler. We are a developed country that knows right from wrong and have a responsibility to save people who are persecuted or about to be massacred. One cannot ignore this and say they are a moral person If it is difficult or if you may lose is no excuse for not doing what should be done.
yes thats all well and good, but theres no point going in all guns blazing when you dont have an exit stategy and could leave the place in worse shape than it already is.
I heard that ISIS is very rich.
they have killed a few journalists, we should advise not people not to travel to these places, especially journalists I believe UK and US journalists dead, thats why they are upset.
I think we need to sit tight at the moment.
If the US & British get involved all well and good, we can come in later if need be, but i dont see the need for us to get involved at this stage. It is difficult when you dont know exactly who and what you are fighting.
it must be impossible for troops to know the difference between civilian and enemy over there. And things dont end well when the civillians dont really want you in there country.
America like to fight using their drones/aeroplanes meaning less us casualties and most likely more civilian casualties.
They have beheaded a third person.
Fair dinkum, can someone please explain who they are and what they are doing and "why"?
They have beheaded 100's of people, including women and children. People only now care because they have beheaded the third WESTERN person.
They have beheaded a third person.
Fair dinkum, can someone please explain who they are and what they are doing and "why"?
They have beheaded 100's of people, including women and children. People only now care because they have beheaded the third WESTERN person.
Are they in front of Saudi or not, year to date?
Obviously we're just about to invade Saudi, next on the list.
They have beheaded a third person.
Fair dinkum, can someone please explain who they are and what they are doing and "why"?
They have beheaded 100's of people, including women and children. People only now care because they have beheaded the third WESTERN person.
Are they in front of Saudi or not, year to date?
Obviously we're just about to invade Saudi, next on the list.
ISIS are not a country, they are a rebel group causing mayhem in an existing country and being fought by the local country forces as well as other rebels (Kurds), both of which have requested "us" to get involved.
The I.S. showcasing beheading is all about spin and posturing, to achieve the reactions that have happened and are yet to happen. There reasoning is unclear, at least to me, but beheading is normal for that part of the world. The Saudis knock off their criminals and political enemies that way all the time. Dead is dead whether it's from being stabbed to death by a bullet or having your head removed with a sharp knife. People on here who know about killing sheep will also know that the humans killed in this way by the IS would be totally dead within two or at most, three seconds. Anyway, my point is that the head removal focus is not the issue. The issue for me is we should not be getting involved in any way at all, except humanitarian. It has been said that certain politicians in Australia, from both sides of the argument, have blood on their hands from the last stupid foray into the Middle East. Perhaps it's now a case of in for a penny, in for a pound.
yes let them kill each other and just sit back and feel superior and do nothing, pretty much the same philosophy that was used by appeasers to Hitler. We are a developed country that knows right from wrong and have a responsibility to save people who are persecuted or about to be massacred. One cannot ignore this and say they are a moral person If it is difficult or if you may lose is no excuse for not doing what should be done.
You may be a little deluded if you think we are a nation that has developed morals. What are we still doing to the Indigenous population? Why are we jailing refugees? What about the two hundred thousand odd deaths in Syria? Why has it taken three journalist decapitations to stir these alleged developed morals? There's plenty of un-righteous stuff going on out there much closer to home that we seem to be ignoring. Nothing remotely like the Hitler appeasers.
They have beheaded a third person.
Fair dinkum, can someone please explain who they are and what they are doing and "why"?
They have beheaded 100's of people, including women and children. People only now care because they have beheaded the third WESTERN person.
Are they in front of Saudi or not, year to date?
Obviously we're just about to invade Saudi, next on the list.
ISIS are not a country, they are a rebel group causing mayhem in an existing country and being fought by the local country forces as well as other rebels (Kurds), both of which have requested "us" to get involved.
It's a shitfight & I'm extremely pessimistic a) we can help and b ) any side the Yanks want to help will be much better.
"How high".
They have beheaded a third person.
Fair dinkum, can someone please explain who they are and what they are doing and "why"?
They have beheaded 100's of people, including women and children. People only now care because they have beheaded the third WESTERN person.
Are they in front of Saudi or not, year to date?
Obviously we're just about to invade Saudi, next on the list.
ISIS are not a country, they are a rebel group causing mayhem in an existing country and being fought by the local country forces as well as other rebels (Kurds), both of which have requested "us" to get involved.
It's a shitfight & I'm extremely pessimistic a) we can help and b ) any side the Yanks want to help will be much better.
"How high".
I agree with that. I just disagree with comparing it to Saudi Arabia, they are a country with a justice system, even if pathetic and screwed up, and capital punishment is metered out to "criminals". While we may argue that they mete it out to whoever they don't like, it is always done via their courts. ISIS are just killing anyone that doesn't support them and are not a country with a court system.
As far as why the US (and others including us) are involved is complex and deceptive. The US was not going to be involved until ISIS threatened the oil fields they operate in Erbil.
They have beheaded a third person.
Fair dinkum, can someone please explain who they are and what they are doing and "why"?
They have beheaded 100's of people, including women and children. People only now care because they have beheaded the third WESTERN person.
Are they in front of Saudi or not, year to date?
Obviously we're just about to invade Saudi, next on the list.
ISIS are not a country, they are a rebel group causing mayhem in an existing country and being fought by the local country forces as well as other rebels (Kurds), both of which have requested "us" to get involved.
It's a shitfight & I'm extremely pessimistic a) we can help and b ) any side the Yanks want to help will be much better.
"How high".
I agree with that. I just disagree with comparing it to Saudi Arabia, they are a country with a justice system, even if pathetic and screwed up, and capital punishment is metered out to "criminals". While we may argue that they mete it out to whoever they don't like, it is always done via their courts. ISIS are just killing anyone that doesn't support them and are not a country with a court system.
As far as why the US (and others including us) are involved is complex and deceptive. The US was not going to be involved until ISIS threatened the oil fields they operate in Erbil.
My mentioning Saudi Arabia was to point out that beheading is de rigeur for the area. Also that the beheadings feeds the tabloid lust for sensationalism which in turn is being used by the powers that be to justify their decisions to commit our troops. You know, was it two hundred thousand and three for the tipping point or just the barbaric (to us) last three?
As far as why the US (and others including us) are involved is complex and deceptive. The US was not going to be involved until ISIS threatened the oil fields they operate in Erbil.
How's that complex?
That part isn't but there are other things going on from what I have been reading.
Oh, so that's it. Makes sense. I hadn't heard that reported before.
They have beheaded a third person.
Fair dinkum, can someone please explain who they are and what they are doing and "why"?
They have beheaded 100's of people, including women and children. People only now care because they have beheaded the third WESTERN person.
Are they in front of Saudi or not, year to date?
Obviously we're just about to invade Saudi, next on the list.
ISIS are not a country, they are a rebel group causing mayhem in an existing country and being fought by the local country forces as well as other rebels (Kurds), both of which have requested "us" to get involved.
It's a shitfight & I'm extremely pessimistic a) we can help and b ) any side the Yanks want to help will be much better.
"How high".
I agree with that. I just disagree with comparing it to Saudi Arabia, they are a country with a justice system, even if pathetic and screwed up, and capital punishment is metered out to "criminals". While we may argue that they mete it out to whoever they don't like, it is always done via their courts. ISIS are just killing anyone that doesn't support them and are not a country with a court system.
As far as why the US (and others including us) are involved is complex and deceptive. The US was not going to be involved until ISIS threatened the oil fields they operate in Erbil.
My mentioning Saudi Arabia was to point out that beheading is de rigeur for the area. Also that the beheadings feeds the tabloid lust for sensationalism which in turn is being used by the powers that be to justify their decisions to commit our troops. You know, was it two hundred thousand and three for the tipping point or just the barbaric (to us) last three?
No argument from me, the West are pathetic with their so called moral outrage over this issue.
Oh, so that's it. Makes sense. I hadn't heard that reported before.
Of course not, you know how the media work.
I liked them better when they were ISIL.
Just imagine the marketing committee meeting with the brash, big money branding consultant pitches the change of name to the head crazies. "Tom I'm telling you we're not getting any traction at all with ISIS. With the investment we're putting into these videos, we need a fresh brand for the whole viral marketing approach, really turn heads! "
LOL at people professing that sending 'humanitarian aid' is the solution.
How does that work specifically?
And I'm a bit tired of people sneering that the West are only getting involved because they are now impacted. Whether that is true or not, the course they are setting now is true and should be supported.
Unless people are advocating that we continue to do nothing whilst innocent people are slaughtered.
LOL at people professing that sending 'humanitarian aid' is the solution.
How does that work specifically?
And I'm a bit tired of people sneering that the West are only getting involved because they are now impacted. Whether that is true or not, the course they are setting now is true and should be supported.
Unless people are advocating that we continue to do nothing whilst innocent people are slaughtered.
Ah but that's the point isn't it? Which innocent people?
The I.S. showcasing beheading is all about spin and posturing, to achieve the reactions that have happened and are yet to happen. There reasoning is unclear, at least to me, but beheading is normal for that part of the world. The Saudis knock off their criminals and political enemies that way all the time. Dead is dead whether it's from being stabbed to death by a bullet or having your head removed with a sharp knife. People on here who know about killing sheep will also know that the humans killed in this way by the IS would be totally dead within two or at most, three seconds. Anyway, my point is that the head removal focus is not the issue. The issue for me is we should not be getting involved in any way at all, except humanitarian. It has been said that certain politicians in Australia, from both sides of the argument, have blood on their hands from the last stupid foray into the Middle East. Perhaps it's now a case of in for a penny, in for a pound.
yes let them kill each other and just sit back and feel superior and do nothing, pretty much the same philosophy that was used by appeasers to Hitler. We are a developed country that knows right from wrong and have a responsibility to save people who are persecuted or about to be massacred. One cannot ignore this and say they are a moral person If it is difficult or if you may lose is no excuse for not doing what should be done.
yes thats all well and good, but theres no point going in all guns blazing when you dont have an exit stategy and could leave the place in worse shape than it already is.
I heard that ISIS is very rich.
they have killed a few journalists, we should advise not people not to travel to these places, especially journalists I believe UK and US journalists dead, thats why they are upset.
I think we need to sit tight at the moment.
If the US & British get involved all well and good, we can come in later if need be, but i dont see the need for us to get involved at this stage. It is difficult when you dont know exactly who and what you are fighting.
it must be impossible for troops to know the difference between civilian and enemy over there. And things dont end well when the civillians dont really want you in there country.
America like to fight using their drones/aeroplanes meaning less us casualties and most likely more civilian casualties.
I'm in the 'this is not my battle' camp.
But my problem with being high and mighty and knowing right from wrong...
Why don't we go into the Israel and Gaza war and straighten them out?
Why don't we go into the Ukraine and 'Separatist / Russian' conflict?
Why don't we jump in and help out against the South African extreme group that is kidnapping female kids?
This is what it is...
We are fighting the USA's war.
LOL at people professing that sending 'humanitarian aid' is the solution.
How does that work specifically?
And I'm a bit tired of people sneering that the West are only getting involved because they are now impacted. Whether that is true or not, the course they are setting now is true and should be supported.
Unless people are advocating that we continue to do nothing whilst innocent people are slaughtered.
Ah but that's the point isn't it? Which innocent people?
Well so far we have had two journalists and an aid worker publicly executed. Not to mention the tens of thousands of others killed by these terrorists.
The I.S. showcasing beheading is all about spin and posturing, to achieve the reactions that have happened and are yet to happen. There reasoning is unclear, at least to me, but beheading is normal for that part of the world. The Saudis knock off their criminals and political enemies that way all the time. Dead is dead whether it's from being stabbed to death by a bullet or having your head removed with a sharp knife. People on here who know about killing sheep will also know that the humans killed in this way by the IS would be totally dead within two or at most, three seconds. Anyway, my point is that the head removal focus is not the issue. The issue for me is we should not be getting involved in any way at all, except humanitarian. It has been said that certain politicians in Australia, from both sides of the argument, have blood on their hands from the last stupid foray into the Middle East. Perhaps it's now a case of in for a penny, in for a pound.
yes let them kill each other and just sit back and feel superior and do nothing, pretty much the same philosophy that was used by appeasers to Hitler. We are a developed country that knows right from wrong and have a responsibility to save people who are persecuted or about to be massacred. One cannot ignore this and say they are a moral person If it is difficult or if you may lose is no excuse for not doing what should be done.
yes thats all well and good, but theres no point going in all guns blazing when you dont have an exit stategy and could leave the place in worse shape than it already is.
I heard that ISIS is very rich.
they have killed a few journalists, we should advise not people not to travel to these places, especially journalists I believe UK and US journalists dead, thats why they are upset.
I think we need to sit tight at the moment.
If the US & British get involved all well and good, we can come in later if need be, but i dont see the need for us to get involved at this stage. It is difficult when you dont know exactly who and what you are fighting.
it must be impossible for troops to know the difference between civilian and enemy over there. And things dont end well when the civillians dont really want you in there country.
America like to fight using their drones/aeroplanes meaning less us casualties and most likely more civilian casualties.
I'm in the 'this is not my battle' camp.
But my problem with being high and mighty and knowing right from wrong...
Why don't we go into the Israel and Gaza war and straighten them out?
Why don't we go into the Ukraine and 'Separatist / Russian' conflict?
Why don't we jump in and help out against the South African extreme group that is kidnapping female kids?
This is what it is...
We are fighting the USA's war.
Its not the USA's war - this organisation is one that every country needs to be wary of.
Hitler and the Nazi's were once a small group and rose to power because nobody did anything. Lets not make the same mistake twice.