He lived with older siblings not the father
Again points back to family environments
In other news tikrit has been libirated .big movement as this was carried about by Sunni and shias America not involved
But I’ll bet Iran was.
I’m afraid I think a satisfactory condition for all ISIS fighters is that they stand before Allah.
It’s sad that they do it, but I prefer them dead, and without having taken down innocent people with them.
A reply to: @IceTemple regarding QuoteLink
Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
Quoted PostA reply to: @IceTemple regarding QuoteLink
Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
If you kept getting invaded and attacked by one of the best-armed and equipped militaries in the world do you think your priorities might change a little?
Like, I know obviously your mind will never ever change and Israel will never ever be anything other than absolutely perfect, but, well, you did invade them last year and kill like 2000 people and something like 1000-1500 of them were civilians. Obviously the Palestinians are going to a) not be overly happy with their neighbours and b) FLOCK to the more aggressive end of the political spectrum.
Do you think invasions are actually a useful thing to do? Do you think it’s likely to help the situation?
Or just keep pushing the buttons that keeps putting the nutjobs in power and plenty of justification for anyone to sign up?
Both sides are equally culpable, and neither is much better than the other.
Quoted PostQuoted PostA reply to: @IceTemple regarding QuoteLink
Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
If you kept getting invaded and attacked by one of the best-armed and equipped militaries in the world do you think your priorities might change a little?
LEFTY: Israel are murderers. They purposely target civilians and blow up kids on beaches!
ME: No they don’t. See!
LEFTY: Yeah, but Israel are murders.
ME: smashes head against wall
Quoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostA reply to: @IceTemple regarding QuoteLink
Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
If you kept getting invaded and attacked by one of the best-armed and equipped militaries in the world do you think your priorities might change a little?LEFTY: Israel are murderers. They purposely target civilians and blow up kids on beaches!
ME: No they don’t. See!
LEFTY: Yeah, but Israel are murders.
ME: smashes head against wall
See longer post.
Some kids somewhere is awful, and it’s not good that Israel got blamed when they weren’t teh culprits, but it only really signifies that there’s a lot of bombs and bullets and rockets flying around and that sucks for all concerned.
Israel have killed a lot of palestinians, there is no two ways about it. But Israel’s own numbers say they killed roughly a thousand civilians in the 2014 attacks. UN numbers it’s more like 1500. Either way that’s a lot, and it doesn’t seem to have solved or changed anything. Palestine aren’t going away. Israel attacking them isn’t getting anyone any closer to peace.
So… ?
Quoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostA reply to: @IceTemple regarding QuoteLink
Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
If you kept getting invaded and attacked by one of the best-armed and equipped militaries in the world do you think your priorities might change a little?LEFTY: Israel are murderers. They purposely target civilians and blow up kids on beaches!
ME: No they don’t. See!
LEFTY: Yeah, but Israel are murders.
ME: smashes head against wall
See longer post.Some kids somewhere is awful, and it’s not good that Israel got blamed when they weren’t teh culprits, but it only really signifies that there’s a lot of bombs and bullets and rockets flying around and that sucks for all concerned.
Israel have killed a lot of palestinians, there is no two ways about it. But Israel’s own numbers say they killed roughly a thousand civilians in the 2014 attacks. UN numbers it’s more like 1500. Either way that’s a lot, and it doesn’t seem to have solved or changed anything. Palestine aren’t going away. Israel attacking them isn’t getting anyone any closer to peace.
So… ?
Firstly there was no real Gaza before Israel took that land from Egypt. Israel built it up then handed it back as requested as part of a peace deal (of which the PA/HAMAS/Palestinians have not actioned their part of the deal).
Secondly, Israel then handed Gaza over to the Palestinian Authority (PA, under Abbas) to run. The PA provided free and open elections for the Gaza inhabitants who then faced HAMAS who killed all the PA reps and stationed gun toting militants at all election booths thereby “winning” the election. You will notice no free and open elections since. HAMAS rules with an iron rod and crushes any dissidents. Amnesty does have a report on that too but somehow it never makes it to the free and open press of the world.
Thirdly, HAMAS has fired rockets into Israel on a DAILY basis ever since that election. Not occassionally, daily, and it is well documented for those that want to search objectively.
Fourthly, the Gaza blockade came in after the elections where HAMAS seized power and was implemented by BOTH Israel and Egypt. Egypt removed the blockade while the Muslim Brotherhood were in power but it has been re-added by Egypt since the military coup.
Fifthly, if any country in the world faced daily rocket attacks from a neighbouring country, exactly what sort of response do you think would take place? Nothing? Israel have asked the UN, Europe, US and ME nations to stop this but they have done nothing to curtail this behaviour by HAMAS.
So while, yes, there were a number of civilians killed and it was disappointing and hopefully avoided in future, it is hardly the great horrible thing of all time. The US and other allies (including Australia) have killed far more people in IRAQ, on average, than Israel did in that war, even though it is more densely packed in geographic area. Israel is also the ONLY nation that took the time to send out warnings BEFORE they fired into Gaza: they would send texts, phone calls, emails, leaflet drops, the works, then give enough time to get out. This also gave time for HAMAS to clear out as well. No other country ever does that during war, none.
It has also been proven that not all deaths were caused by Israel, it has also been proven that HAMAS were using their fellow Palestinians as human shields and used their homes, schools, hospitals, etc as launching places for their bombs. No one is “innocent” in war, other than simple civilians, but they are killed by both sides, either directly or indirectly.
So for those who despise Israel for their actions, I hope that you equally despise the Palestinians for theirs.
If HAMAS stopped attacking Israel, stopped building tunnels from which they attack Israeli citizens (civilians), offered to declare that Israel has a right to exist in the lands around that region (along wth themselves), gave free and open elections to their people, laid down their arms, then they might find Israel would stop the blockade (they have said they would) and Israel would most certainly stop any attacks on Gaza. HAMAS won’t do that though, why? Because their foundation charter is the utter annihilation of all Jews, the same foundational charter that the PA holds I might add. They do not simply weant some more land, they want the whole region and they want all Jews slaughtered. It is in their charter. So if you support the Palestinians then you should be appalled and be writing your condemnation of such a horrible charter. Feel free to be upset with Israel, but don’t be a hypocrtite and instead be equally upset with HAMAS.
Quoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostA reply to: @IceTemple regarding QuoteLink
Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
If you kept getting invaded and attacked by one of the best-armed and equipped militaries in the world do you think your priorities might change a little?LEFTY: Israel are murderers. They purposely target civilians and blow up kids on beaches!
ME: No they don’t. See!
LEFTY: Yeah, but Israel are murders.
ME: smashes head against wall
See longer post.Some kids somewhere is awful, and it’s not good that Israel got blamed when they weren’t teh culprits, but it only really signifies that there’s a lot of bombs and bullets and rockets flying around and that sucks for all concerned.
Israel have killed a lot of palestinians, there is no two ways about it. But Israel’s own numbers say they killed roughly a thousand civilians in the 2014 attacks. UN numbers it’s more like 1500. Either way that’s a lot, and it doesn’t seem to have solved or changed anything. Palestine aren’t going away. Israel attacking them isn’t getting anyone any closer to peace.
So… ?
Firstly there was no real Gaza before Israel took that land from Egypt. Israel built it up then handed it back as requested as part of a peace deal (of which the PA/HAMAS/Palestinians have not actioned their part of the deal).
Secondly, Israel then handed Gaza over to the Palestinian Authority (PA, under Abbas) to run. The PA provided free and open elections for the Gaza inhabitants who then faced HAMAS who killed all the PA reps and stationed gun toting militants at all election booths thereby “winning” the election. You will notice no free and open elections since. HAMAS rules with an iron rod and crushes any dissidents. Amnesty does have a report on that too but somehow it never makes it to the free and open press of the world.
Thirdly, HAMAS has fired rockets into Israel on a DAILY basis ever since that election. Not occassionally, daily, and it is well documented for those that want to search objectively.
Fourthly, the Gaza blockade came in after the elections where HAMAS seized power and was implemented by BOTH Israel and Egypt. Egypt removed the blockade while the Muslim Brotherhood were in power but it has been re-added by Egypt since the military coup.
Fifthly, if any country in the world faced daily rocket attacks from a neighbouring country, exactly what sort of response do you think would take place? Nothing? Israel have asked the UN, Europe, US and ME nations to stop this but they have done nothing to curtail this behaviour by HAMAS.
So while, yes, there were a number of civilians killed and it was disappointing and hopefully avoided in future, it is hardly the great horrible thing of all time. The US and other allies (including Australia) have killed far more people in IRAQ, on average, than Israel did in that war, even though it is more densely packed in geographic area. Israel is also the ONLY nation that took the time to send out warnings BEFORE they fired into Gaza: they would send texts, phone calls, emails, leaflet drops, the works, then give enough time to get out. This also gave time for HAMAS to clear out as well. No other country ever does that during war, none.
It has also been proven that not all deaths were caused by Israel, it has also been proven that HAMAS were using their fellow Palestinians as human shields and used their homes, schools, hospitals, etc as launching places for their bombs. No one is “innocent” in war, other than simple civilians, but they are killed by both sides, either directly or indirectly.
So for those who despise Israel for their actions, I hope that you equally despise the Palestinians for theirs.
If HAMAS stopped attacking Israel, stopped building tunnels from which they attack Israeli citizens (civilians), offered to declare that Israel has a right to exist in the lands around that region (along wth themselves), gave free and open elections to their people, laid down their arms, then they might find Israel would stop the blockade (they have said they would) and Israel would most certainly stop any attacks on Gaza. HAMAS won’t do that though, why? Because their foundation charter is the utter annihilation of all Jews, the same foundational charter that the PA holds I might add. They do not simply weant some more land, they want the whole region and they want all Jews slaughtered. It is in their charter. So if you support the Palestinians then you should be appalled and be writing your condemnation of such a horrible charter. Feel free to be upset with Israel, but don’t be a hypocrtite and instead be equally upset with HAMAS.
If Israel gave stolen land back and stopped blowing Palestianian civilians to pieces then I imagine HAMAS may be slightly more amenable to a peace deal.
Could be worth a punt
Israel never injected anybody
Well, there wasn’t an Israel before all that land got taken from the Palestinians who’d lived there upwards of 2,000 years, so why are talking about Gaza?
Quoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostA reply to: @IceTemple regarding QuoteLink
Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
If you kept getting invaded and attacked by one of the best-armed and equipped militaries in the world do you think your priorities might change a little?LEFTY: Israel are murderers. They purposely target civilians and blow up kids on beaches!
ME: No they don’t. See!
LEFTY: Yeah, but Israel are murders.
ME: smashes head against wall
See longer post.Some kids somewhere is awful, and it’s not good that Israel got blamed when they weren’t teh culprits, but it only really signifies that there’s a lot of bombs and bullets and rockets flying around and that sucks for all concerned.
Israel have killed a lot of palestinians, there is no two ways about it. But Israel’s own numbers say they killed roughly a thousand civilians in the 2014 attacks. UN numbers it’s more like 1500. Either way that’s a lot, and it doesn’t seem to have solved or changed anything. Palestine aren’t going away. Israel attacking them isn’t getting anyone any closer to peace.
So… ?
Well, they are going away at about 1000-1500 at a time…
Quoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostA reply to: @IceTemple regarding QuoteLink
Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
If you kept getting invaded and attacked by one of the best-armed and equipped militaries in the world do you think your priorities might change a little?LEFTY: Israel are murderers. They purposely target civilians and blow up kids on beaches!
ME: No they don’t. See!
LEFTY: Yeah, but Israel are murders.
ME: smashes head against wall
See longer post.Some kids somewhere is awful, and it’s not good that Israel got blamed when they weren’t teh culprits, but it only really signifies that there’s a lot of bombs and bullets and rockets flying around and that sucks for all concerned.
Israel have killed a lot of palestinians, there is no two ways about it. But Israel’s own numbers say they killed roughly a thousand civilians in the 2014 attacks. UN numbers it’s more like 1500. Either way that’s a lot, and it doesn’t seem to have solved or changed anything. Palestine aren’t going away. Israel attacking them isn’t getting anyone any closer to peace.
So… ?
Firstly there was no real Gaza before Israel took that land from Egypt. Israel built it up then handed it back as requested as part of a peace deal (of which the PA/HAMAS/Palestinians have not actioned their part of the deal).
Secondly, Israel then handed Gaza over to the Palestinian Authority (PA, under Abbas) to run. The PA provided free and open elections for the Gaza inhabitants who then faced HAMAS who killed all the PA reps and stationed gun toting militants at all election booths thereby “winning” the election. You will notice no free and open elections since. HAMAS rules with an iron rod and crushes any dissidents. Amnesty does have a report on that too but somehow it never makes it to the free and open press of the world.
Thirdly, HAMAS has fired rockets into Israel on a DAILY basis ever since that election. Not occassionally, daily, and it is well documented for those that want to search objectively.
Fourthly, the Gaza blockade came in after the elections where HAMAS seized power and was implemented by BOTH Israel and Egypt. Egypt removed the blockade while the Muslim Brotherhood were in power but it has been re-added by Egypt since the military coup.
Fifthly, if any country in the world faced daily rocket attacks from a neighbouring country, exactly what sort of response do you think would take place? Nothing? Israel have asked the UN, Europe, US and ME nations to stop this but they have done nothing to curtail this behaviour by HAMAS.
So while, yes, there were a number of civilians killed and it was disappointing and hopefully avoided in future, it is hardly the great horrible thing of all time. The US and other allies (including Australia) have killed far more people in IRAQ, on average, than Israel did in that war, even though it is more densely packed in geographic area. Israel is also the ONLY nation that took the time to send out warnings BEFORE they fired into Gaza: they would send texts, phone calls, emails, leaflet drops, the works, then give enough time to get out. This also gave time for HAMAS to clear out as well. No other country ever does that during war, none.
It has also been proven that not all deaths were caused by Israel, it has also been proven that HAMAS were using their fellow Palestinians as human shields and used their homes, schools, hospitals, etc as launching places for their bombs. No one is “innocent” in war, other than simple civilians, but they are killed by both sides, either directly or indirectly.
So for those who despise Israel for their actions, I hope that you equally despise the Palestinians for theirs.
If HAMAS stopped attacking Israel, stopped building tunnels from which they attack Israeli citizens (civilians), offered to declare that Israel has a right to exist in the lands around that region (along wth themselves), gave free and open elections to their people, laid down their arms, then they might find Israel would stop the blockade (they have said they would) and Israel would most certainly stop any attacks on Gaza. HAMAS won’t do that though, why? Because their foundation charter is the utter annihilation of all Jews, the same foundational charter that the PA holds I might add. They do not simply weant some more land, they want the whole region and they want all Jews slaughtered. It is in their charter. So if you support the Palestinians then you should be appalled and be writing your condemnation of such a horrible charter. Feel free to be upset with Israel, but don’t be a hypocrtite and instead be equally upset with HAMAS.
If Israel gave stolen land back and stopped blowing Palestianian civilians to pieces then I imagine HAMAS may be slightly more amenable to a peace deal.
Could be worth a punt
I know you sometimes struggle with comrehension so I will make it simple for you…again…
ISRAEL ALREADY GAVE GAZA TO THE PALESTINIANS AS PART OF A PEACE DEAL
They did not get their side of the deal from the PA though and then HAMAS started their bombing crap.
If you are going to sprout crap, at least take the time to study first to make sure your crap is 5% right, like the PA do.
Quoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostQuoted PostA reply to: @IceTemple regarding QuoteLink
Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
If you kept getting invaded and attacked by one of the best-armed and equipped militaries in the world do you think your priorities might change a little?LEFTY: Israel are murderers. They purposely target civilians and blow up kids on beaches!
ME: No they don’t. See!
LEFTY: Yeah, but Israel are murders.
ME: smashes head against wall
See longer post.Some kids somewhere is awful, and it’s not good that Israel got blamed when they weren’t teh culprits, but it only really signifies that there’s a lot of bombs and bullets and rockets flying around and that sucks for all concerned.
Israel have killed a lot of palestinians, there is no two ways about it. But Israel’s own numbers say they killed roughly a thousand civilians in the 2014 attacks. UN numbers it’s more like 1500. Either way that’s a lot, and it doesn’t seem to have solved or changed anything. Palestine aren’t going away. Israel attacking them isn’t getting anyone any closer to peace.
So… ?
Firstly there was no real Gaza before Israel took that land from Egypt. Israel built it up then handed it back as requested as part of a peace deal (of which the PA/HAMAS/Palestinians have not actioned their part of the deal).
Secondly, Israel then handed Gaza over to the Palestinian Authority (PA, under Abbas) to run. The PA provided free and open elections for the Gaza inhabitants who then faced HAMAS who killed all the PA reps and stationed gun toting militants at all election booths thereby “winning” the election. You will notice no free and open elections since. HAMAS rules with an iron rod and crushes any dissidents. Amnesty does have a report on that too but somehow it never makes it to the free and open press of the world.
Thirdly, HAMAS has fired rockets into Israel on a DAILY basis ever since that election. Not occassionally, daily, and it is well documented for those that want to search objectively.
Fourthly, the Gaza blockade came in after the elections where HAMAS seized power and was implemented by BOTH Israel and Egypt. Egypt removed the blockade while the Muslim Brotherhood were in power but it has been re-added by Egypt since the military coup.
Fifthly, if any country in the world faced daily rocket attacks from a neighbouring country, exactly what sort of response do you think would take place? Nothing? Israel have asked the UN, Europe, US and ME nations to stop this but they have done nothing to curtail this behaviour by HAMAS.
So while, yes, there were a number of civilians killed and it was disappointing and hopefully avoided in future, it is hardly the great horrible thing of all time. The US and other allies (including Australia) have killed far more people in IRAQ, on average, than Israel did in that war, even though it is more densely packed in geographic area. Israel is also the ONLY nation that took the time to send out warnings BEFORE they fired into Gaza: they would send texts, phone calls, emails, leaflet drops, the works, then give enough time to get out. This also gave time for HAMAS to clear out as well. No other country ever does that during war, none.
It has also been proven that not all deaths were caused by Israel, it has also been proven that HAMAS were using their fellow Palestinians as human shields and used their homes, schools, hospitals, etc as launching places for their bombs. No one is “innocent” in war, other than simple civilians, but they are killed by both sides, either directly or indirectly.
So for those who despise Israel for their actions, I hope that you equally despise the Palestinians for theirs.
If HAMAS stopped attacking Israel, stopped building tunnels from which they attack Israeli citizens (civilians), offered to declare that Israel has a right to exist in the lands around that region (along wth themselves), gave free and open elections to their people, laid down their arms, then they might find Israel would stop the blockade (they have said they would) and Israel would most certainly stop any attacks on Gaza. HAMAS won’t do that though, why? Because their foundation charter is the utter annihilation of all Jews, the same foundational charter that the PA holds I might add. They do not simply weant some more land, they want the whole region and they want all Jews slaughtered. It is in their charter. So if you support the Palestinians then you should be appalled and be writing your condemnation of such a horrible charter. Feel free to be upset with Israel, but don’t be a hypocrtite and instead be equally upset with HAMAS.
If Israel gave stolen land back and stopped blowing Palestianian civilians to pieces then I imagine HAMAS may be slightly more amenable to a peace deal.
Could be worth a punt
I know you sometimes struggle with comrehension so I will make it simple for you…again…
ISRAEL ALREADY GAVE GAZA TO THE PALESTINIANS AS PART OF A PEACE DEAL
They did not get their side of the deal from the PA though and then HAMAS started their bombing crap.
If you are going to sprout crap, at least take the time to study first to make sure your crap is 5% right, like the PA do.
Settle down half wit
Israel currently occupies land that is not their own.
Give it back
for context in the ever changing borders in that region there should be a lot more maps than that. Where’s 12CE? 70AD? 1916? 1919? 1920?..
for context in the ever changing borders in that region there should be a lot more maps than that. Where's 12CE? 70AD? 1916? 1919? 1920?.....Brian won't release them
And it hasn’t improved
Should be in the global warming thread. Look at all that green belt lost in just 60 years!
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Quoted PostQuoted PostThey are getting closer to Golan Heights, if they start trying to cross over into any are Israel is, war in the region may escalate.Generally a good propostion for any group or nation in that region that is under stress is to attack Israel, that usually gets those you are fighting with to stop and turn their attention to Israel and it’s destruction, the only thing any of these people actually agree on.
If they went to Israel, there is a fair chance Israel will wipe them out within weeks. They won’t have mercy for civillians like some other countries doHuh?
If you mean Israel then you are waaayyy off base on that one.
Yep I remember all that mercy Israel showed the kids on the beach or the many kids in schools they have blown up over the years.
So merciful. It’s just those savages that do the bad things.
I’ve had to go back in the archives to quote this one.
As is typically the case, the Palestinians put their own in a position of danger by indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians, many of which fall short and hit their own people. When it does occur, rather than taking ownership, they point the finger at the obvious scapegoat being Israel. The media runs with it and it leaves an imprint on people’s minds that Israel is the monster, something that’s very difficult to shake because once the truth actually comes out it’s often too late because those same people have moved on.
This time it’s Amnesty International which have released the report exonerating Israel for the beach deaths and placing the blame squarely on Hamas and their terrorist activities.
The question is, is it too late to change people’s minds???
If you kept getting invaded and attacked by one of the best-armed and equipped militaries in the world do you think your priorities might change a little?LEFTY: Israel are murderers. They purposely target civilians and blow up kids on beaches!
ME: No they don’t. See!
LEFTY: Yeah, but Israel are murders.
ME: smashes head against wall
See longer post.Some kids somewhere is awful, and it’s not good that Israel got blamed when they weren’t teh culprits, but it only really signifies that there’s a lot of bombs and bullets and rockets flying around and that sucks for all concerned.
Israel have killed a lot of palestinians, there is no two ways about it. But Israel’s own numbers say they killed roughly a thousand civilians in the 2014 attacks. UN numbers it’s more like 1500. Either way that’s a lot, and it doesn’t seem to have solved or changed anything. Palestine aren’t going away. Israel attacking them isn’t getting anyone any closer to peace.
So… ?
Firstly there was no real Gaza before Israel took that land from Egypt. Israel built it up then handed it back as requested as part of a peace deal (of which the PA/HAMAS/Palestinians have not actioned their part of the deal).
Secondly, Israel then handed Gaza over to the Palestinian Authority (PA, under Abbas) to run. The PA provided free and open elections for the Gaza inhabitants who then faced HAMAS who killed all the PA reps and stationed gun toting militants at all election booths thereby “winning” the election. You will notice no free and open elections since. HAMAS rules with an iron rod and crushes any dissidents. Amnesty does have a report on that too but somehow it never makes it to the free and open press of the world.
Thirdly, HAMAS has fired rockets into Israel on a DAILY basis ever since that election. Not occassionally, daily, and it is well documented for those that want to search objectively.
Fourthly, the Gaza blockade came in after the elections where HAMAS seized power and was implemented by BOTH Israel and Egypt. Egypt removed the blockade while the Muslim Brotherhood were in power but it has been re-added by Egypt since the military coup.
Fifthly, if any country in the world faced daily rocket attacks from a neighbouring country, exactly what sort of response do you think would take place? Nothing? Israel have asked the UN, Europe, US and ME nations to stop this but they have done nothing to curtail this behaviour by HAMAS.
So while, yes, there were a number of civilians killed and it was disappointing and hopefully avoided in future, it is hardly the great horrible thing of all time. The US and other allies (including Australia) have killed far more people in IRAQ, on average, than Israel did in that war, even though it is more densely packed in geographic area. Israel is also the ONLY nation that took the time to send out warnings BEFORE they fired into Gaza: they would send texts, phone calls, emails, leaflet drops, the works, then give enough time to get out. This also gave time for HAMAS to clear out as well. No other country ever does that during war, none.
It has also been proven that not all deaths were caused by Israel, it has also been proven that HAMAS were using their fellow Palestinians as human shields and used their homes, schools, hospitals, etc as launching places for their bombs. No one is “innocent” in war, other than simple civilians, but they are killed by both sides, either directly or indirectly.
So for those who despise Israel for their actions, I hope that you equally despise the Palestinians for theirs.
If HAMAS stopped attacking Israel, stopped building tunnels from which they attack Israeli citizens (civilians), offered to declare that Israel has a right to exist in the lands around that region (along wth themselves), gave free and open elections to their people, laid down their arms, then they might find Israel would stop the blockade (they have said they would) and Israel would most certainly stop any attacks on Gaza. HAMAS won’t do that though, why? Because their foundation charter is the utter annihilation of all Jews, the same foundational charter that the PA holds I might add. They do not simply weant some more land, they want the whole region and they want all Jews slaughtered. It is in their charter. So if you support the Palestinians then you should be appalled and be writing your condemnation of such a horrible charter. Feel free to be upset with Israel, but don’t be a hypocrtite and instead be equally upset with HAMAS.
If Israel gave stolen land back and stopped blowing Palestianian civilians to pieces then I imagine HAMAS may be slightly more amenable to a peace deal.
Could be worth a punt
I know you sometimes struggle with comrehension so I will make it simple for you…again…
ISRAEL ALREADY GAVE GAZA TO THE PALESTINIANS AS PART OF A PEACE DEAL
They did not get their side of the deal from the PA though and then HAMAS started their bombing crap.
If you are going to sprout crap, at least take the time to study first to make sure your crap is 5% right, like the PA do.
Settle down half wit
Israel currently occupies land that is not their own.
Give it back
The only half wit is you and the absolutely racist antisemitism that you spew out every so often.
No wonder G-Unit rarely comes in these threads.
Anti-Zionism and anti-semitism are not the same thing. I used to know a Jewish guy who was decidedly anti-Zionist.
I’m not too sure Ice Temple’s views are held by the majority here…in particular, his views on religion.