Laverde, Langford and Francis


#121

We’re all just scared cause, gee we held on to some hacks for way too long after the 2000 era.


#122

Langers I think will make it, has the tools to be a really nice goal kicking midfielder (exact position - well I hope we know by the end of 2018) - He has kicked lovely set shot 50m goals, that is a skill in it’s self. If he could average near 1 goal a game playing in the midfield we will be onto something. I am just worried Woosha will play musical chairs with his role and in the team

Lav - Also think he would make it, the end of 2017 season was poo - everyone knows it. Was he injured or not 100% fit - who knows, but you would think that he wouldnt of been picked if that is the case. 2018 we should see him in full flight (again not sure best position)

My worry with the above two is Woosha is going to ■■■■ with their development by switching them around. Agree on a position, guarantee them the first 1/3 of the season and back them in.

Franga - I am worried. Let me ask you another question - if he went late 2nd round - would we be clinging onto hope like we are. I think we will know by about round 5 if this pick is a bust.


#123

If he was late 2nd round he would be classed as a Dodoro special and we would be saying how much untapped potential he has.

But alas he was pick 6. The Essendon supporters have treated him like a pick 6 midfielder. Instead of a pick 6 KPP.


#124

Parish makes Francis look as ordinary as Begley makes Lav look and that’s pretty ■■■■■■■ ordinary.

Langford doesn’t seem that interested in anything afl except paddling balls across the boundary line and looking tired 10 minutes into a game so I really can’t be ■■■■■■ talking about him.


#125

Perhaps a controversial point but I don’t think our culture was great 1999-2003. On talent alone we should have won at least a couple, maybe even 3-4 flags with the list we had.

Hird
Lloyd
Lucas
Fletcher
Johnsonx2
Hardwick
Wellman
Mercuri
Wellman
Caracella
Misiti

The level of talent in that squad was just incredible.

Unfortunately it wasn’t supported by a team first culture, evidenced by the fact that we had to squeeze three blokes out because of cap issues in 2002. Brisbane kept their great teams together, as did Geelong and Hawthorn.


#126

I want to see Francis come back as a big red beast, at least 5kg of Beast Muscle needs to be put on and the capacity to run.


#127

So in your opinion, which Wellman should have taken the bigger pay cut?


#128

We had a lot of injuries to key players around that time.

No doubt we should have done more but losing Hirdy and Lucas at different stages hurt.


#129
  • Wellmen

#130

There may be other issues as well, but my point about fitness was that being “adequate” really isn’t good enough. If Francis is to be as good a player as we all hope, his fitness needs to be outstanding, not just adequate.


#131

Forget it bud. He’s never going to.

I’m never going to be outstanding at High jump or physics.

His body has limitations. It’s genetics. It’s his fast / slow twitch muscle breakdown.

He just needs to get fit enough to compete throughout an entire game. Anything more is a bonus.


#132

Laverde = HFF with burst midfield. Doubtful he will be a start. His ceiling is best 22, tricky match-up.

Langford = Could become one of our top 5 players or could be delisted. Bang or bust at this point, if he can get it together as an inside mid in the style of pendlebury, he would be very damaging with his vision in the contest.

Francis = Reminds me of Hurley when used to be continually injured. Think he could easily be our most important player if he put his mind to it, if not it looks like he could make a stack tearing country footy apart.


#133

Agree with all of what you said except I think Francis does have the footy nous just not the fitness to run to where he needs to be…yet.


#134

I don’t think his fitness is that bad at all. from when I was watching him earlier in the year he was finished by half way through the quarter but now he can get through a whole game.

I just find that he doesn’t get to where the ball is enough. If it was fitness he would at least dominate some parts of the game but he doesn’t. He pops up at certain points of the game with little rhyme or reason.

i think this can be rectified if he’s allowed to settle in a spot and given a specific task.


#135

Anyone who thinks these guys are just cream on the cake are kidding themselves.

When you ‘hit’ drafts it gives you genuine shots at flags.
If these guys cement themselves in the team we can have a tilt. Otherwise we need to find players to fill those roles they were drafted for.

What also happens is a flow on effect. Imagine if Langford nailed that midfield extractor role this year. We could be more creative with pick 11. We could trade for Stringer no worries.

Also we want this group of players all in the same age to be developing and in the team together.


#136

I’m a fan of Francis and reckon he’ll mature into a very serious player for us, but there’s a bit of a journey till he gets there.

I agree he needs to settle into a role and plan to dominate it. In years to come he might dominate at AFL level as a swingman, but for now he needs to learn the ropes and do the hard work applying himself to a specific.

In the same way I’d be coaching him to simplify his game. I reckon he’s dominated as a junior and pretty well been given a free reign to play his game, but it hasn’t translated as yet into VFL/AFL footy. He has an expansive game in him, and I hope he brings it big time to the AFL in years to come. In the meantime, get the small things right, and the big things will look after themselves. That means get properly fit, go for the percentage play rather than the big play, and concentrate on the team over the individual, and beat your man. Domination can wait, the goal next year should be to play a role.


#137

Except that you did.


#138

So is there a chance lav or lang could be offered up as part of a stringer deal !!! And who would you prefer


#139

There is a chance of one of them being offered as part of a trade for Stringer, my preference is to keep hold of all three, and look at some other trade.


#140

Yeah, I agree.

He’s been moved around a lot and they really need to take him back to very basic function and build from there.