List build - where are we? Where are we going next (Part 1)

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I don’t really understand the rules around now lists are structured so if someone knows how it works, please enlighten me.

So we’ve lost Myers, Baguley, Long, Houlahan off the senior list.

Dea, Mynott, Jok, Z Clarke off the rookie list.

McNiece & Lavender off the Rookie B list.

We’ve added Cutler & Phillips to the senior list. Obviously Draper is retained but does he HAVE to be upgraded to the senior list?

The two Irish boys will be added, one to the rookie B the other to the rookie list.

Does that leave us with two senior list spots, three cat A rookie & one cat B rookie spots to be replaced like for like? Or can we have more draft selections then take less rookie picks? If the requirement is Three main draft selections, we must have to make further delistings. Brown & Hartley are still without contracts for 2020…

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In order of the questions:

(1) YES, Draper MUST be elevated. He’s spent three years on the rookie list which is the maximum anyone can spend there.
(2a) Not exactly. Last year we took an extra rookie spot (i.e. 5 rookies). We can repeat that this year, or (more likely) use our full complement of senior list spots. So on your calculations, the most likely free spots are still 2 senior, 2 rookie since Draper can be elevated into the “spare” senior slot we didn’t use last year.
(2b) However, you’ve forgotten Snelling who will have to take a spot on the senior or rookie list. We don’t know where he’ll sit.
(3) The requirement is 3 new national draft picks OR rookie elevations. So Draper will count as one, Snelling might count as a second (or be on the rookie list). So we may not need any more delistings.

At the moment we’ve got two picks in the draft (unless Snelling is on the senior list). In which case we’ll use both picks in the thirties, but won’t use the four picks in the sixties. Presumably we’ll try to trade them out for either 2020 picks or an upgrade of one of our current picks.

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4551

Snelling has extended his contract by a year (as a rookie).

“Under the AFL Rules, as a Category A Rookie, Snelling will be eligible to play in the senior side without needing to be upgraded on to the senior list”.

@aboods - you were spot on.

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4552

Only Mitch Brown, and Michael Hartley to go now.

Unless of course we pull out the favourite, delist and redraft move.

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Unless of course some of them become superstars. 2024 is a while away. Someone like Mosquito could potentially be a superstar, or we could have drafted them. Superstars aren’t just born as immediate superstars.

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4554

So, two senior list spots free. Therefore its just a matter of trading out the picks in the 60 for something of value (either 2020 pick(s) or an upgrade).

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4555

Just wondering who would want our picks in the 60’s. It seems like nothing picks.

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Rookie list:
Irish
Snelling
Vacant
Vacant

Senior list:
Clarke > new Francis
Long > Cutler
Myers > Draper
Baguley > pick 31
Vacancy > pick 33

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4557

Points for those with academy / FS selections

Not worth much but can be added with one of our 2nds perhaps if we trying to trade up

33, 61, 64 & 65 equivalent to pick 21

Clubs usually will want more than equivalent though, have to tip in a future pick perhaps.

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#,|

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Is Mason Fletcher a chance?

4559

So did ZLarke.

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There’s actually a good argument to do so.

Brown I expect would only have one more year with us.

We should move him to the rookie list. Allows us to use pick 60 rather than pick 100

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Does anyone have a record of late pick live trading from last years draft involving using a pick or picks in the 60’s to get further up the draft order?

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In my personal opinion, no.

But I do hope that if he doesn’t get drafted, that he gets a run with the VFL side.

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4563

Live pick trading only just come in

IIRC it maybe was there for last year only

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touché

One of those players turns 21 next year. The other turns 30.

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Just wondering if there was a similar move made last year.

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Don’t think so

But clubs certainly have sold off their higher picks to bidders pre draft to get best value if have academy / FS

GWS expected to possible try trade up to get Dees pick 3 also and get ahead of Green bids

If Hawks Maginness gets bid on before their 11 they may do some swindling etc

Think key around live trading was if player club really wanted was available could offer overs to get club with pick there you want to use to trade it.

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Costello: Love Mynott.
Abbott: Yep, that’s how it ended.

Costello: What do you mean ended?!?!
Abbott: He’s done. Out the door. Long gone.

Costello: Long? Gone? Well it goes without saying.
Abbott: Then why are you making a fuss?

Costello: I’m not making a fuss!! I’m just trying to find out if we’re changing much on the list!!
Abbott: Mutch? No he’s got another year.

Costello: Another year! Surely not for Long!
Abbott: Well it is what it is.

Costello: I don’t know what is what!!..Look let’s start from the beginning! I wanna know who’s delisted!!
Abbott: Dea? Listed?

Costello: Thaaat’s right!!
Abbott: No he’s gone too.

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It may actually be worthwhile this year to delist and re-rookie a couple of players (eg Mutch and Gown) in order to turn both of our rookie selections into picks 61 and 64 in the ND. It would allow us to jump the queue and get ahead of the Suns half dozen or so picks they’ll have thanks to an expanded 10-man rookie list.

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