Here’s the thing. I’m not being a loony here. I’m not trying to create an issue out of thin air. Trump watches Fox and Friends every morning. He often will tweet word for word quotes during their broadcast, copying their position and giving it the weight of the President. There are many many examples of him doing this. There are many examples of Fox getting things wrong, but Trump going on a twitter rant immediately based off the dodgy Fox spin.
This is public behaviour. It’s not a secret that he has the tv on most of the time. It’s not a secret that he generally has the tv tuned to Fox News. He’s quite open about this. It’s quite easy to match the Fox News story with the time stamp of his tweets and make the link. He even tweets support occasionally to Fox when he likes a story.
So no, I’m not delusional. I’m describing a fairly core part of how Trump is known to operate. He takes media coverage extremely seriously and watches more of it that any President before him.
All the above can be confirmed from Trump’s interviews and tweets. Here’s where opinion starts… Now you can argue that he pays enough attention to his briefings that he isn’t relying on Fox as his primary information source. From what I’ve seen he’s not as widely briefed as I’d expect of a President. He’s not able to take the Fox story with a grain of salt and compare it against his briefings. He reacts to stories, sends out tweets and effectively directs government policy based off a poor source of information.
The “Trump Derangement Syndrome” “Leftist” nonsense is so pathetic I almost feel sorry for you. Quoting Brietbart / Hannity putdowns because you views lacks substance is just so weak. The irony of all the name calling and is that Trump’s supporters have been acting like the biggest snowflakes out of everyone.
Give us some valid points.
Thus far, you have largely; attacked the poster, attacked your perception of the posters ideology, made flippant comments about the post without really backing it up.
This is best born out by the fact you think the Trump discussion is about left and right. Trump is in the process of testing all of the US institutions and how well they hold up to an attempt at authoritarianism.
The only reason Trump is part of the conservative side of politics is clearly highlighted in a post above citing his own words… “They are the dumbest group of voters…I could lie and they would eat it up…”
I’ve never voted anything other than conservative over the last 26 years.
While it is condescending, it is appropriate " shush now Essendon12…the adults are speaking"
Of course it’s about left and right. That’s what politics is. Blocking your eyes and ears and pretending otherwise does not make it any less true.
As for attacking posters etc - Well I will continue to defend Trump when bullshit accusations are made against him or someone quotes someone off Twitter and thinks it’s real.
As far as I’m concerned the posters concerned need to suck it up. If they want to keep spewing rubbish then they will be attacked for it.
This forum as far as I know is not a private playground for people to just say whatever they like without any justification whatsoever.
I seriously doubt your conservative credentials. The fact you go to the oh so tired Fox News/Breitbart/Hannity argument that is so beloved of the Left is telling.
Newsflash: Most Australians wouldn’t know where Fox News is on the dial and nor would they even read or listen to the others. Probably true in the US as well. In fact I’d be interested to know the actual ratings as compared to an ABC, CBS, CNN or others.
Poor white people in rural USA especially in South are called White Trash or Crackers. They don’t vote democrat unless it is a Texan like LBJ. Others voted for him because they couldn’t vote for Hillary.
I reject that Trump is stupid or evil, he is just a clever person who is very good at self promotion. His policies are all about his needs, shows no regard for working class Americans and revolve around big business.
I am happy if his policy is inward looking, and USA gets out of World affairs, but Trump loves a big stage, so it will not happen.
Conservative credentials?
We don’t have to carry papers yet, do we?
Reminds me, I’ve always wanted to work in The Gay Industry that I see people write about. They seem like they’d be reasonable employers. I’ve never seen a position advertised, though.
Some amazing examples of Trump’s complete lack of expertise here. That said, this is exactly what appeals to his core supporters. He speaks his mind they say. Refreshing change from the elites they say.
Reminds me of that cartoon where the sheep are reflecting on the campaign poster of a wolf saying “I will eat you” and sharing how much they like that he speaks his mind.
China can’t believe its luck. A badly weakened Russia suddenly has life. Yay,
Many Americans have become accustomed to President Trump’s lies. But as regular as they have become, the country should not allow itself to become numb to them. So we have catalogued nearly every outright lie he has told publicly since taking the oath of office. Updated: The president is still lying, so we’ve added to this list, taking it through Nov. 11, and provided links to the facts in each case.
By DAVID LEONHARDT and STUART A. THOMPSON
UPDATED December 14, 2017
Full List: FYI, … Very Very long read …
President Trump’s political rise was built on a lie (about Barack Obama’s birthplace). His lack of truthfulness has also become central to the Russia investigation, with James Comey, the former director of the F.B.I., testifying under oath about Trump’s “lies, plain and simple.”
There is simply no precedent for an American president to spend so much time telling untruths. Every president has shaded the truth or told occasional whoppers. No other president — of either party — has behaved as Trump is behaving. He is trying to create an atmosphere in which reality is irrelevant.
We have set a conservative standard here, leaving out many dubious statements (like the claim that the tax bill his administration supports is “the biggest tax cut in U.S. history.”). Some people may still take issue with this standard, arguing that the president wasn’t speaking literally. But we believe his long pattern of using untruths to serve his purposes, as a businessman and politician, means that his statements are not simply careless errors.
We are using the word “lie” deliberately. Not every falsehood is deliberate on Trump’s part. But it would be the height of naïveté to imagine he is merely making honest mistakes. He is lying.
Trump Told Public Lies or Falsehoods Every Day for His First 40 Days
The list above uses the conservative standard of demonstrably false statements. By that standard, Trump told a public lie on at least 20 of his first 40 days as president. But based on a broader standard — one that includes his many misleading statements (like exaggerating military spending in the Middle East) — Trump achieved something remarkable: He said something untrue, in public, every day for the first 40 days of his presidency. The streak didn’t end until March 1.
On days without an untrue statement, he is often absent from Twitter, vacationing at Mar-a-Lago in Florida, or busy golfing.
The end of May was another period of relative public veracity — or at least public quiet — for the president. He seems to have been otherwise occupied, dealing with internal discussions about the Russia investigation and then embarking on a trip through the Middle East and Europe.
Trump’s Public Lies Sometimes Changed With Repetition
Sometimes, Trump can’t even keep his untruths straight. After he reversed a campaign pledge and declined to label China a currency manipulator, he kept changing his description of when China had stopped the bad behavior. Initially, he said it stopped once he took office. He then changed the turning point to the election, then to since he started talking about it, and then to some uncertain point in the distant past.
When Trump said China stopped manipulating its currency
Trump has retained the support of most of his voters as well as the Republican leadership in Congress. But he has still paid some price for his lies. Nearly 60 percent of Americans say the president is not honest, polls show, up from about 53 percent when he took office.