Old people don't understand the Internet

Bill being proposed to make the use of VPN's illegal.

http://mashable.com/2015/05/01/vpns-blocked-copyright-bill/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link

Can these morons go get noonan off and let us just use the internet for downloading game of thrones.

China likes to ban VPNs. They can’t do it well, but they are!

I know the Australian government want closer ties with China but now they are taking policies from there too.

one of the locations my vpn goes to is hong kong, they must be working hard at it.

I know china and hong kong are ‘china’ but hong kong is under special administrative law.

valid point

■■■ they want to make it more expensive to buy stuff online and pay for streaming movies

I love the governments spin into how making Netflix pay GST is a win for consumers by saying the business is paying tax, when in essence GST is a consumer tax where the business simply adds the 10% on top of their fees and collects it from you to forward onto the tax department. So you pay the 10% and Netflix still pays $0 to the Australian economy.

the fact that Netflix cant have all the content, means people need to have multiple subscriptions to watch the shows they want. it gets costly.

If people cant download stuff ISPS may see people reducing internet packages as well.

Reason i dont have foxtel and watch afl is due to the cost and that i only want to watch footy channel not the other crap. Plus Essendong usually have a good number of games on free to air tv.

so I have the AFL season pass, and watch on ipad, since cant stream to tv this year will only watch essendon games on it.

I have a web tunnel ($6 a month) get US netflix ($6/month) and AFL app on my ipad ($15/month).

It’s heaps. Add that to ABC Ivew and SBS/ch7/9/10 internet catchup services and it’s plenty.

I’ll never pay rupert murdoch for foxtel since he stopped australia getting proper NBN, NEVER

My folks just spent an extra $15 and I get foxtel for free now even though I don’t live with them anymore. Hope foxtel don’t work it out

So we are now getting an internet filter to go with mandatory data retention. Dat Freedom™

Labor waves piracy site-blocking Bill through Australian Senate, despite concerns

Labor has ensured the government’s website-blocking Bill has passed both houses of the Australian parliament.

Access to sites like the Pirate Bay will be limited, after Labor fell into line with the government to pass legislation to force internet service providers to block websites linking to copyright-infringing content.

The legislation will allow rights holders to obtain court orders to block overseas websites, such as The Pirate Bay, that are found to contain copyright infringing material, or facilitate access to copyright infringing material.

The legislation passed the Senate 37 votes to 13, with the support of the Labor opposition, which only proposed one amendment: To call on the government to respond to the 2013 Australian Law Reform Commission report calling for fair use to be introduced into Australian Copyright Law.

Labor and the Coalition teamed up to vote down a series of amendments from Greens communications spokesperson Scott Ludlam that would have delayed the Bill until the government had responded to the ALRC report, as well as the IT pricing inquiry report.

Ludlam was also unsuccessful in moving amendments that would have narrowed the scope of the legislation, and completely ruled out blocking VPN services.

Labor Senator Jacinta Collins said the legislation was designed for the “worst of the worst” piracy sites, and that VPN services would not be targeted because it was prevented through an amendment to the Explanatory Memorandum of the legislation.

Ludlam also sought to allow third parties to join cases to argue against sites being blocked. This amendment was opposed by Labor and the government. The government said the Federal Court was capable of balancing public interest, and taking public interests into consideration, but indicated specific third parties, such as Choice, may be allowed to join cases through regulation.

The Bill had the backing of rights holders, but was criticised by internet service providers, Google, consumer groups and other organisations for its wide scope, and potential to limit access to legitimate content.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission warned that film and TV companies could potentially threaten to block access to geoblocked services such as HBO Now.

In the House of Representatives last week, Turnbull said this issue could be worked out between rights holders.

“Where someone is using a VPN to access, for example, Netflix from the United States to get content in respect of which Netflix does not have an Australian licence, this Bill would not deal with that,” he said.

"If Australian rights owners have got issues about American sites selling content to Australians in respect of which they do not have Australian rights, they should take it up with them.

“The big boys can sort it out between themselves and leave the consumers out of it.”

The parliament had just three months to consider the legislation, and the Senate committee examining the legislation held just one hearing where one Labor senator and one Coalition senator attended.

The legislation does not indicate whether ISPs will bear the costs for blocking websites. Collins said that the government had initially indicated rights holders would bear the costs, and said she hoped the government would outline the cost-recovery model.

“The Bill before the parliament is silent on this point, and I look forward to the government’s consideration on this issue,” she said.

Liberal Democrat Senator David Leyonhjelm also opposed the legislation, stating it was a bad law, and threatened freedom of speech, and freedom of access to information.

Ludlam said the legislation was a win for rights holders, who he said will decide what is blocked by ISPs.

“They’ve found a pushover of an attorney-general and an opposition that is too weak to take up the fight,” he said.

Despite Labor’s support of the legislation, the Labor MP responsible for the IT pricing inquiry – Ed Husic – voiced his objections to the legislation after it had passed the House of Representatives.

“I consider that that bill reflects an ethos that tries to limit the liberalising force of the internet to the extent that it tries to skew benefit to producers, rights holders and certain entrenched interests at the expense of others,” he said.

“On the surface, it aims to tackle piracy; you cannot argue with that. But, in the wider context, it demonstrates an absence of commitment by this government to having a coherent approach to dealing with piracy. To paraphrase an expression, it is tough on piracy and not on the causes of piracy.”

How are they going to shut down my holiday house if my holiday house is based in America? 1984

Survey results from Government enquiry.

Is it me, or does that table make 0 sense.

Is it me, or does that table make 0 sense.

Does it matter. It’s Federal Govt, so it’s probably false anyway.

It simply states that the new laws coming in won’t stop piracy but if the service was better, timely and cheaper than a lot more people would stop pirating.

any illegal, 100% illegal, legal and illegal?

http://www.minister.communications.gov.au/malcolm_turnbull/news/australia_and_uk_release_online_copyright_infringement_research#.Va9Omvnzq73

Here’s the full thing. It’s also interesting for the first time the government has come out and said using VPNs to bypass geoblocking is illegal.

New government report shows the state of Australian piracy
2 HOURS AGO JULY 22, 2015 3:54PM

WE’VE been threatened to have our internet shut off, threatened to have huge lawsuits thrown against us and been told our internet will be censored. But new research has shown that none of that will work in the government’s war against illegal downloading.
A report conducted by Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s office, in conjunction with the UK Government, has revealed the staggering scope of Australia’s online piracy.

The survey of 2630 people found that 26 per cent of all Australians had consumed at least one illegal form of media in the first three months of this year. In other words, one in four Aussies are pirates.

But the research revealed that the host of punitive measures floated to solve the problem simply won’t work.

Of the people who do consume media illegally, the survey found they would likely stop infringing if legal content was: cheaper (39 per cent), more available (38 per cent), and had the same release date as other countries (36 per cent).

The data found that to convince the majority of digital music consumers to pay for music, a single song needed to be priced at no more than $1.19 a month and a music subscription service would need to be about $5 a month — half what most services charge now.

In terms of pricing, TV and movie streaming services such as Presto, Stan and Netflix seem to have it right, with the majority of people willing to pay $10 a month.

To stop people from pirating, the research found that having all content available legally, under a fair-priced subscription service in a timely manner was by far the most effective way to stop pirating.

Yet despite this, the government is going ahead with piracy laws and allowing content owners to send threatening letters, which their own data from this report shows would only stop 20 per cent of people from pirating.

Interestingly, Netflix was the only legal streaming service known by more than half of Australians, with the American streaming company’s Aussie presence known by 51 per cent of internet users. Quickflix was known by 33 per cent of Australians and Stan 30 per cent, while Presto was merged with Foxtel, so it isn’t clear how well the Presto brand is known.

Interestingly, while pirating websites made up 48 per cent of digital movie consumptions, it was only responsible for 33 per cent of the digital consumption of TV shows, with internet users more likely to use catch-up services such as ABC iView and TENPlay.
It’s also worth noting that the government said that those who used virtual private networks (VPNs) or geo-dodging software to access international versions of Netflix did so illegally. This is the first time they have made such claims.

But perhaps the most telling part is how even the government acknowledges how out of touch rights holders are in combating piracy, noting that, “rights holders’ most powerful tool to combat online copyright infringement is making content accessible, timely and affordable to consumers”.

Something rights holders seem hell bent on not doing.

Until a bill passes or an amendment made gov can gagf, and even after it.

They can’t do squat becays

It simply states that the new laws coming in won’t stop piracy but if the service was better, timely and cheaper than a lot more people would stop pirating.

This. But I can’t believe they wasted such a lot of money on research trying to make that point. Any sane person could have told them that.

They can't do squat becays
It simply states that the new laws coming in won't stop piracy but if the service was better, timely and cheaper than a lot more people would stop pirating.

This. But I can’t believe they wasted such a lot of money on research trying to make that point. Any sane person could have told them that.

you have to understand this is the first medium that’s ever been pirated.

They can't do squat becays
It simply states that the new laws coming in won't stop piracy but if the service was better, timely and cheaper than a lot more people would stop pirating.

This. But I can’t believe they wasted such a lot of money on research trying to make that point. Any sane person could have told them that.

you have to understand this is the first medium that’s ever been pirated.

You need a friend to give you a mix tape of their favourite songs, thus the problem.

Thought I’d share this and this thread seemed like a vague fit.

My better half, who is a keen vintage knitting book collector, attempted to sell this 70s knitting book on ebay.

And this is the response she received.

Your listings have been ended
In accordance with feedback from our community, we have made the decision to prohibit the sale of golliwog dolls and many associated products from our site globally. We believe this is the right thing to do and is consistent with our values as a business. This is not a reflection or judgement on anyone selling the item. We thank you for your understanding and ask you to please not list these kinds of items.
Here are the listings we removed:
Vintage Patons Gifts To Knit and Crochet - Book C.22 - 1970s
We appreciate your understanding.
Thanks, eBay

As a proud card carrying member of the “Lefty Lynch Mob” my better half supports the decision and will check her listings more carefully in future and certainly would never have considered making such a “toy” for our grandson.

Meanwhile Enid Blyton is grinding her teeth in her grave.

FFS …

I remember when big ol ed got given one on millionaire.