Player Weight Profiles

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I know this gets discussed a bit in other threads, but I’m not sure if there’s one for this topic.

I was thinking about Essendon in relation to their contested game/aggression levels, and specifically the Geelong game springs to mind. That game really showed our team’s weaknesses, and from a list management point of view, it seems to me that we may not have enough larger sized mobile players. I know this gets brought up a bit, but looking through the two teams lists, it seems stark.

The only players that fit into the larger/non key position/mid style role ( I’m thinking around 190cms 90kgs) from us are probably Setterfield 192cms/87kgs (bit undersized), and Stringer 192cms/92kgs. Laverde and Langford are thereabouts, but are now plugging key position gaps. Langford also lacks aggression, and is now great up forward. Perkins and Tsatas are young but should get there in the next few years hopefully.

Looking at Geelong though, I mean you can see it when the teams play, but these player profiles, it just seems nuts. Tuohy and Danger are enormous. Rohan, Menegola, Guthrie, and Atkins all fit the profile. Bowes seems small at Geelong, but would be one of our bigger players.

In contrast we have a glut of really great midfielders that are undersized. McGrath (not really a mid), Parish, Hobbs, Caldwell (plays big), Merrett (he’s a rock in reality), and Shiel. Any club would want these guys, but as a group they’re too small. IMHO the sum of these guys is much worse than they are as individuals.

In a fast moving game it can work, well even, but how do we get away with it in finals?

I’m not bashing our drafting either. I feel it would’ve been a mistake to not take Hobbs in the draft with that pick. I’m also probably in the camp that our clubs main issue is lack of development, but I’m not sure how we can get the team right without trading some of our mids out to try and get a couple of larger guys in.

What are everyone’s thoughts on this? If we were to trade, then who? Could we simply put some of these guys in the gym for a bit?

Apologies. I haven’t posted in a long while, and I don’t think I’ve ever started a new topic so sorry for any mistakes.

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I reckon we’ve lost weight. We were bulking up particularly shoulders and arms but has come back quite a bit.

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Good post, I agree. I like a lot of our players in there, but we look so undersized when you take out a fit Stringer & Setterfield. Lock Perkins, Caldwell & Hobbs in the gym over the pre-season.

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20 years of the same bloke running the list I think. It even reflects in our forwards and defenders, we always pick the “athletic” types that are 190-195cm and 90-95kg. Hawthorn have Lewis and kozzy, Sydney have amartey all 195 and close to 100kg and cost a pack of chips. Can’t remember the last time we drafted any players like that

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Big bodies aren’t created in the weight room. The weight room is important, but more important is for the player to have the basic body structure. You can’t turn a lightly-framed player like Zerk-Thatcher into a mountain like Stephen May.

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Physical stature is one component (I do miss the era of Jobe + Hocking or Myers), but imo equally important is we’ve had very few players in the side with a genuine hard edge.

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Since the saga we’re probably slinging them Berocca’s and the odd multivitamin while the other mobs are on the good stuff

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I really hope missing half the year with a shoulder is the reason hes struggling im worried that we only got one good year from him

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The graphs/models need to document the relationships between height, weight, and age, or this is just another thread sooking into the wind.

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Diet and training can get you pretty close.

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People on here get too caught up with trying to work out whether it’s development or recruitment when it comes to understanding the state of the list.

It’s both. That’s the problem.

We’re recruiting undersized mids, undersized third talls, skinny KPP and hoping that they don’t get injured so we can develop them but they invariably do get injured, so we need to keep trading and drafting to fill the same gaps rather than move on to other list needs.

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Our players are too skinny. Except the ones that are too fat.

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Geelong has a great program for building players up physically. We should try to emulate that.

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Ok, here is some data. I hope you can read it. I had an OK looking table going on ChatGPT however it didn’t copy across well. If someone gets excited they can put it in a chart. :slight_smile: Also, I put Wardlaw in just out of interest.

It seems clear to me that…

  • we need a few more 190cm 90kg ish players. Perkins and Tsatas will help a lot, but it still seems like a pressing need.

  • by the age of 23-24 your pretty close to as heavy as you will plus maybe 2-3kgs.

  • Parish plays much bigger than his size.

  • If Wardlaw was available at our pick I feel like it would’ve been a mistake to pick him.

Player weight at various ages…

Geelong

Dangerfield 189cms - age 22 91kgs, age 26 92kgs, Age33 91kgs
Guthrie 187cms - age 23 84kgs, age26 86kgs, age 30 87kgs
Menegola 189cms - age 24 88kgs, age27 89kgs, age 31 90kgs
Touhy 187cms - age23 91kgs, age 27 91kgs, age29 93kgs, age33 94kgs
Rohan 189cms - age22 88kgs, age27 92kgs, age32 92kgs
Atkins 180cms - age23 85kgs, age 27 86kgs
Bowes 189cms - age 25 85kgs

it caught my eye…
Bartel 187cms - age 32 87kgs
Caddy 186cms - age 23 84kgs

Essendon

Lots of small mids…

Parish 180cms - age22 80kgs, age26 81kgs
McGrath 180cms - age25 83kgs
Caldwell 183cms - age22 83kgs
Shiel 182cms - age25 82kgs, age30 84kgs
Merrett 179cms - age23 80kgs, age27 83kgs
Hobbs 183cms - age19 80kgs

Big enough…

Stringer 192cms - age24 92kgs, age29 92kgs
Setterfield 192cms - age25 87kgs
Perkins 188cms - age21 85kgs
Tsatas 187cms - age18 80kgs

Just for interest…

Wardlaw - 182cms age19 79kgs

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Well done on that table. You are dead right: a player is not going to put on much weight after age 22 or so. So those who say Zerk-Thatcher etc need to hit the gym so they can bulk up are just plain wrong.

And Perkins and Tsatas are never going to be bulls. Tsatas is still very young, so he might get to 84 or 85 kilos, but that’s not bull size.

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If you use BMI as a measure, you can see we are a smaller team than Geelong. I’ve ranked the players on each list by BMI.

Geelong has 17 players with a BMI over 25. Of those 17, only three are less than 182cm tall. We’ve got 9 players with a BMI over 25, and of those nine, seven are 182cm or under. So we don’t have many solid players, and most of the ones we do have a really short.

No Name Games Age Height Weight BMI
43 McDonald-Tipungwuti, Anthony 132 30.3 171 78 26.67
7 Merrett, Zachary 203 27.1 179 85 26.53
11 Snelling, Will 63 26.0 175 79 25.80
1 McGrath, Andrew 131 25.2 180 83 25.62
26 Baldwin, Kaine R 6 21.2 193 95 25.50
9 Shiel, Dylan 211 30.5 182 84 25.36
3 Parish, Darcy 147 26.0 180 82 25.31
42 D’Ambrosio, Massimo R 16 20.2 178 80 25.25
29 Kelly, Jake 146 28.6 190 91 25.21
47 Menzie, Jye R 20 20.9 180 81 25.00
34 Phillips, Andrew 79 32.1 201 101 25.00
17 Stewart, James 78 29.5 199 99 25.00
10 Weideman, Sam 74 26.1 197 97 24.99
2 Draper, Sam 56 24.1 205 105 24.99
35 Guelfi, Matt 94 25.1 184 84 24.81
6 Caldwell, Jye 54 22.1 183 83 24.78
20 Wright, Peter 117 26.1 203 102 24.75
39 Voss, Patrick R 0 20.1 194 93 24.71
27 Redman, Mason 100 25.1 187 86 24.59
22 Durham, Sam 46 22.1 185 84 24.54
24 Bryan, Nick 12 21.9 203 101 24.51
14 Ridley, Jordan 85 24.9 195 93 24.46
15 Laverde, Jayden 107 27.3 193 91 24.43
25 Stringer, Jake 188 29.3 192 90 24.41
21 Heppell, Dyson 232 31.2 189 87 24.36
40 Wanganeen, Tex R 5 19.9 179 78 24.34
49 Hunter, Jaiden R 0 21.3 196 93 24.21
36 Davey, Jayden 0 19.5 180 78 24.07
4 Langford, Kyle 127 26.8 192 88 23.87
12 Setterfield, Will 66 25.6 192 87 23.60
8 Hobbs, Ben 32 19.1 183 79 23.59
13 Cox, Nikolas 30 21.6 200 94 23.50
33 Davey, Alwyn 10 19.5 180 76 23.46
19 Hind, Nick 77 28.1 180 76 23.46
30 Zerk-Thatcher, Brandon 48 24.1 195 89 23.41
41 McBride, Cian R 0 22.3 197 90 23.19
45 Munkara, Anthony R 0 18.1 187 81 23.16
38 Montgomerie, Rhett R 0 23.1 190 83 22.99
23 Jones, Harrison 31 22.5 196 88 22.91
28 Lord, Alastair 1 19.8 181 75 22.89
5 Tsatas, Elijah 1 18.9 187 80 22.88
16 Perkins, Archie 59 21.4 188 80 22.63
37 Martin, Nicholas 41 22.4 192 82 22.24
31 Reid, Zach 8 21.5 202 90 22.06
18 Hayes, Lewis 0 18.7 199 84 21.21
65.2 23.9 189.2 86.8 24.23
No Name Games Age Height Weight BMI
17 Ratugolea, Esava 73 25.0 198 108 27.55
35 Dangerfield, Patrick 318 33.4 189 97 27.15
24 Bews, Jed 164 29.7 186 92 26.59
26 Hawkins, Tom 346 35.0 198 104 26.53
38 Henry, Jack 118 24.1 192 96 26.04
23 Rohan, Gary 191 32.2 189 93 26.04
2 Tuohy, Zach 268 33.7 187 91 26.02
8 Kolodjashnij, Jake 171 28.0 193 96 25.77
46 Blicavs, Mark 246 32.4 198 101 25.76
3 Parfitt, Brandan 118 25.3 180 83 25.62
1 Stanley, Rhys 194 32.8 200 102 25.50
34 Mullin, Oisin R 5 23.5 182 84 25.36
30 Atkins, Tom R 102 27.1 180 82 25.31
32 Miers, Gryan 103 24.4 179 81 25.28
31 Murdoch, Oscar R 0 18.1 190 91 25.21
12 Bowes, Jack 97 25.6 187 88 25.17
29 Guthrie, Cameron 236 30.1 187 88 25.17
27 Menegola, Sam 116 31.5 189 89 24.92
25 Kroeger, Flynn 0 20.0 185 85 24.84
5 Cameron, Jeremy 228 30.4 196 94 24.47
42 O’Connor, Mark 106 26.6 191 89 24.40
44 Stewart, Thomas 145 30.4 190 88 24.38
16 De Koning, Sam 40 22.5 204 101 24.27
33 Neale, Shannon 2 21.0 203 100 24.27
22 Duncan, Mitchell 272 32.1 188 85 24.05
39 Guthrie, Zach 74 25.1 187 84 24.02
41 Hardie, Mitch R 0 25.1 185 82 23.96
4 Bruhn, Tanner 47 21.2 183 80 23.89
18 Stengle, Tyson 57 24.9 175 73 23.84
11 Whyte, Cooper 1 20.5 181 78 23.81
6 Conway, Toby 0 20.3 205 100 23.80
15 Ceglar, Jonathon 110 32.5 204 99 23.79
13 Clark, Jhye 1 19.0 181 77 23.50
7 Smith, Isaac 277 34.7 188 83 23.48
20 Willis, James 0 20.0 183 78 23.29
9 Holmes, Max 48 20.1 189 83 23.24
19 Foster, Phoenix 0 18.1 198 90 22.96
10 Knevitt, Mitchell 9 20.7 193 84 22.55
40 Clohesy, Ted R 0 19.2 184 76 22.45
36 Henry, Oliver 44 21.0 189 80 22.40
37 Simpson, Sam 25 25.1 183 75 22.40
45 Close, Bradley R 74 25.0 181 71 21.67
21 Riccardi, Osca R 0 18.1 177 65 20.75
28 Dempsey, Ollie R 6 20.7 185 70 20.45
100.7 25.6 188.9 87.2 24.36
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It’s interesting that some of the players that we consider to BBM in Martin and Perkins are right down the end of the BMI scale.

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Channeling my inner Scott Steiner:

THEY’RE FAT!

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Interesting that Stringer is mid-range, contrary to perceptions.

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And I always thought that our jumper has a slimming effect.