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Ten police officers have been shot in downtown Dallas during a protest against police brutality, leaving three officers dead, three in a critical condition and two others requiring surgery.

Dallas Police Department Chief David Brown said it appeared up to two snipers were responsible.

“It appears that snipers shot ten police officers from elevated positions during the protest/rally. Three officers are deceased, two are in surgery and three are in a critical condition,” the statement read.

“An intensive search for suspects is currently underway.”

The Dallas Police Department has released an image of one of the suspects, tweeting “this is one of our suspects, please help us find him”.

Police also believe the suspects threatened to plant a bomb downtown, and are searching the area.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott released a statement issuing his support for the victims, reminding the nation to unite.

"Our thoughts are prayers are with the Dallas law enforcement community and the Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART) officers killed and injured this evening.

"I’ve spoken to Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McGraw and have directed him to officer whatever assistance the City of Dallas needs at this time.

"In times like this we must remember and emphasize the importance of uniting as Americans.”

The shooting took place just before 9pm as the protesters were marching near Lamar and Main St.

Video from a Fox News crew captured the sound of gunshots followed by screams from the crowds, who just moments earlier were chanting, ‘don’t shoot’.

The Black Lives Matter protest followed the deaths of two black men – Alton Sterling in Lousiana and Philando Castile in Minnesota – both shot dead by police in incidents caught on video.

Thousands of protesters have taken to the street today in several US cities.

About a thousand protesters clogged New York’s iconic Times Square, at one point staging a sit-in. Police arrested some of them, loading them onto city buses they borrowed for the occasion.

Another thousand rallied in Washington at the White House, then marched to the US Capitol where veteran civil rights leader Congressman John Lewis stood on the steps and addressed the crowd through a bullhorn.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/dallas-shooting-up-to-ten-police-officers-shot-three-dead-after-snipers-open-fire-at-police-brutality-protest-in-dallas-texas/ar-BBu57JM?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout

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Why does everyone have to look at things like colour? ■■■■■■ me off no end. When I meet someone for the first time the last thing I consider is what freakin colour their skin is. Instead I focus on them as people and seek to get to know them. Colour has very little to do with it but this world is so freakin focused on labels that they dehumanse everyone.

Labels are what cause divisions so I wish people would stop it. Left, right, Muslim, Christian, so on and so forth. It immediately creates barriers and that should not be how it works.

I have some time for this argument. I feel that way myself. And it’s fine as far as it goes. As long as you’re talking about how you feel in that moment.
But there are those who would argue that saying ‘I don’t see colour’ disregards, diminishes, has contempt for…what being a person of colour involves, both individually and collectively.
And I have some time for that argument too.

If that’s the case, then are you supposed to act differently arround certain people? I don’t understand what you “should do”. I believe in respecting someone’s cultural values etc, but I think sometimes we spend so much time pointing out differences that you begin to create an awful divide, which I think Black Lives Matter is doing to an extent. That’s not to say certain issues don’t need to be addressed by the way.
Here’s an intetesting, yet very frustrating video to watch;

It’s a fine line, obviously. I’m not completely sure how I feel about it myself.
On one hand you want to talk to a person, not a race.
On the other hand if you tell someone you don’t care that they’re black, and they respond that you damn well better care that they’re black or you can ■■■■ right off…I can understand that.

Is it really that tough though?
These things matter at times, and shouldn’t at others.
Like everything else, context comes into it, and nothing is…black and white.

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You forgot to mention it wasn’t in black and white, Sal.

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The power of one:

People in the US are comparing this picture to the man who stopped the tanks in Tiananmen Square. Have they gone nuts?

This is a classic picture. It is strongly symbolic , it stands with some of the great photos : the fleeing girl in Vietnam, the Tank Man, the Afgan girl.

I see no harm in comparing it with the the photo of the Tianamen tank man.

Given that white police in America seem to exercise diminished restraint when given the opportunity to shoot black Americans, there is no doubt the woman has a lot of courage.

So you are nuts then. Sheesh, not even close.

If you connect with it, OK, but thats very subjective. The Tianamen photo really fails on the image quality criterion. Would the Afgan Girl photo be recognised as possibly the greatest photo of all time, if it was a ■■■■■■ image taken by a cheap chinese tv camera ?

outright image quality isn’t really the issue. It’s the portrayal, the subject and usually the composition. For the Beijing pic, it’s the diminutive figure standing resolute before a column of mechanised tanks.

Afghan Girl, frankly its all about the sheer contrast of those blazing eyes in a defiant, slightly grimy expression far beyond a normal 12 year old girl. its the eyes that make that photo. McCurry also produced a perfect colour palette for that pic. but the fact it was taken on a Nikon Fm2 is irrelevant. the girl makes, and is, that pic. its stunning on every level.

the current pic is technically very clean and clear. maybe too clean, there’s no grittiness, no documentary feel to it for me. but either way, the composition doesnt work. the police are at awkward angles, they could be recoiling from her, dancing with her, approaching her, arresting or rescuing her. the profile isnt strong, expression not captured. it actually doesnt convey a clear story to me. basically, i don’t look at it and immediately think “wow”.

but i fear this is all way off topic, lol.

That analysis is succinct, concise and very accurate of those three famous photos, Sal!

Your assessment of all is spot on - at least IMHO.

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Why does everyone have to look at things like colour? ■■■■■■ me off no end. When I meet someone for the first time the last thing I consider is what freakin colour their skin is. Instead I focus on them as people and seek to get to know them. Colour has very little to do with it but this world is so freakin focused on labels that they dehumanse everyone.

Labels are what cause divisions so I wish people would stop it. Left, right, Muslim, Christian, so on and so forth. It immediately creates barriers and that should not be how it works.

Of course it does. But it will never stop. It is based on fear. People fear others who aren’t like them. Its a survival mechanism. You fear the stranger until you know you are safe.

I went to a party once and I was the only white person there. As I walked into the backyard, it was getting dark and there were about 60 or so people staring at me as if to say “you are at the wrong place”. I looked back trying to convey “no I’m at the right place.” I found the people I knew and everything was fine as I knew it would be.
However it was the first time ever in my life I really went close to beginning to understand what aboriginal people must go through every day of their lives. Being the only one of your race and feeling completely outnumbered.

Good point and I appreciate what you say Scorpio.

But I can up the ante: I spent the last 3 weeks in china and was outnumbered about 1 billion to one. And yet it was a fantastic experience. CJ has been living there for a long time too and I think would also agree

The difference is in the culture. We in the west (and especially right wing Americans) have a lot to learn. And change,

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Why does everyone have to look at things like colour? ■■■■■■ me off no end. When I meet someone for the first time the last thing I consider is what freakin colour their skin is. Instead I focus on them as people and seek to get to know them. Colour has very little to do with it but this world is so freakin focused on labels that they dehumanse everyone.

Labels are what cause divisions so I wish people would stop it. Left, right, Muslim, Christian, so on and so forth. It immediately creates barriers and that should not be how it works.

I have some time for this argument. I feel that way myself. And it’s fine as far as it goes. As long as you’re talking about how you feel in that moment.
But there are those who would argue that saying ‘I don’t see colour’ disregards, diminishes, has contempt for…what being a person of colour involves, both individually and collectively.
And I have some time for that argument too.

If that’s the case, then are you supposed to act differently arround certain people? I don’t understand what you “should do”. I believe in respecting someone’s cultural values etc, but I think sometimes we spend so much time pointing out differences that you begin to create an awful divide, which I think Black Lives Matter is doing to an extent. That’s not to say certain issues don’t need to be addressed by the way.
Here’s an intetesting, yet very frustrating video to watch;

It’s a fine line, obviously. I’m not completely sure how I feel about it myself.
On one hand you want to talk to a person, not a race.
On the other hand if you tell someone you don’t care that they’re black, and they respond that you damn well better care that they’re black or you can ■■■■ right off…I can understand that.

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McCurry got caught doing a fair bit of photoshopping of late…

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The power of one:

People in the US are comparing this picture to the man who stopped the tanks in Tiananmen Square. Have they gone nuts?

This is a classic picture. It is strongly symbolic , it stands with some of the great photos : the fleeing girl in Vietnam, the Tank Man, the Afgan girl.

I see no harm in comparing it with the the photo of the Tianamen tank man.

Given that white police in America seem to exercise diminished restraint when given the opportunity to shoot black Americans, there is no doubt the woman has a lot of courage.

So you are nuts then. Sheesh, not even close.

If you connect with it, OK, but thats very subjective. The Tianamen photo really fails on the image quality criterion. Would the Afgan Girl photo be recognised as possibly the greatest photo of all time, if it was a ■■■■■■ image taken by a cheap chinese tv camera ?

outright image quality isn’t really the issue. It’s the portrayal, the subject and usually the composition. For the Beijing pic, it’s the diminutive figure standing resolute before a column of mechanised tanks.

Afghan Girl, frankly its all about the sheer contrast of those blazing eyes in a defiant, slightly grimy expression far beyond a normal 12 year old girl. its the eyes that make that photo. McCurry also produced a perfect colour palette for that pic. but the fact it was taken on a Nikon Fm2 is irrelevant. the girl makes, and is, that pic. its stunning on every level.

the current pic is technically very clean and clear. maybe too clean, there’s no grittiness, no documentary feel to it for me. but either way, the composition doesnt work. the police are at awkward angles, they could be recoiling from her, dancing with her, approaching her, arresting or rescuing her. the profile isnt strong, expression not captured. it actually doesnt convey a clear story to me. basically, i don’t look at it and immediately think “wow”.

but i fear this is all way off topic, lol.

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Why does everyone have to look at things like colour? ■■■■■■ me off no end. When I meet someone for the first time the last thing I consider is what freakin colour their skin is. Instead I focus on them as people and seek to get to know them. Colour has very little to do with it but this world is so freakin focused on labels that they dehumanse everyone.

Labels are what cause divisions so I wish people would stop it. Left, right, Muslim, Christian, so on and so forth. It immediately creates barriers and that should not be how it works.

I have some time for this argument. I feel that way myself. And it’s fine as far as it goes. As long as you’re talking about how you feel in that moment.
But there are those who would argue that saying ‘I don’t see colour’ disregards, diminishes, has contempt for…what being a person of colour involves, both individually and collectively.
And I have some time for that argument too.

If that’s the case, then are you supposed to act differently arround certain people? I don’t understand what you “should do”. I believe in respecting someone’s cultural values etc, but I think sometimes we spend so much time pointing out differences that you begin to create an awful divide, which I think Black Lives Matter is doing to an extent. That’s not to say certain issues don’t need to be addressed by the way.
Here’s an intetesting, yet very frustrating video to watch;

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Why does everyone have to look at things like colour? ■■■■■■ me off no end. When I meet someone for the first time the last thing I consider is what freakin colour their skin is. Instead I focus on them as people and seek to get to know them. Colour has very little to do with it but this world is so freakin focused on labels that they dehumanse everyone.

Labels are what cause divisions so I wish people would stop it. Left, right, Muslim, Christian, so on and so forth. It immediately creates barriers and that should not be how it works.

I have some time for this argument. I feel that way myself. And it’s fine as far as it goes. As long as you’re talking about how you feel in that moment.
But there are those who would argue that saying ‘I don’t see colour’ disregards, diminishes, has contempt for…what being a person of colour involves, both individually and collectively.
And I have some time for that argument too.

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Surely I am not the only one that can't work out what is happening in that photo?

Jaywalking.

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The power of one:

People in the US are comparing this picture to the man who stopped the tanks in Tiananmen Square. Have they gone nuts?

This is a classic picture. It is strongly symbolic , it stands with some of the great photos : the fleeing girl in Vietnam, the Tank Man, the Afgan girl.

I see no harm in comparing it with the the photo of the Tianamen tank man.

Given that white police in America seem to exercise diminished restraint when given the opportunity to shoot black Americans, there is no doubt the woman has a lot of courage.

So you are nuts then. Sheesh, not even close.

This is what happened next.

Approaches cop, calls her a hoe, then they both start ripping out each others hair extensions while the guy filming it laughs and shouts “WORLDDD STARRRR” 20 times.

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Why does everyone have to look at things like colour? ■■■■■■ me off no end. When I meet someone for the first time the last thing I consider is what freakin colour their skin is. Instead I focus on them as people and seek to get to know them. Colour has very little to do with it but this world is so freakin focused on labels that they dehumanse everyone.

Labels are what cause divisions so I wish people would stop it. Left, right, Muslim, Christian, so on and so forth. It immediately creates barriers and that should not be how it works.


Missus was talking to another mum about choosing schools the other day. To quote on being asked where she’d looked she said " yeah I had a look at that school but I found it, well, a bit too multicultural. Do you know what I mean?"
Mrs. S just dead panned it and said “no. I don’t.”
No wonder Pauline pantsdown gets a return gig.
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Why does everyone have to look at things like colour? ■■■■■■ me off no end. When I meet someone for the first time the last thing I consider is what freakin colour their skin is. Instead I focus on them as people and seek to get to know them. Colour has very little to do with it but this world is so freakin focused on labels that they dehumanse everyone.

Labels are what cause divisions so I wish people would stop it. Left, right, Muslim, Christian, so on and so forth. It immediately creates barriers and that should not be how it works.

Of course it does. But it will never stop. It is based on fear. People fear others who aren’t like them. Its a survival mechanism. You fear the stranger until you know you are safe.

I went to a party once and I was the only white person there. As I walked into the backyard, it was getting dark and there were about 60 or so people staring at me as if to say “you are at the wrong place”. I looked back trying to convey “no I’m at the right place.” I found the people I knew and everything was fine as I knew it would be.
However it was the first time ever in my life I really went close to beginning to understand what aboriginal people must go through every day of their lives. Being the only one of your race and feeling completely outnumbered.

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Why does everyone have to look at things like colour? ■■■■■■ me off no end. When I meet someone for the first time the last thing I consider is what freakin colour their skin is. Instead I focus on them as people and seek to get to know them. Colour has very little to do with it but this world is so freakin focused on labels that they dehumanse everyone.

Labels are what cause divisions so I wish people would stop it. Left, right, Muslim, Christian, so on and so forth. It immediately creates barriers and that should not be how it works.

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Everyone's conditioned now to meh at everything. Everyone's either completely apathetic or terrified so either do ■■■■ all or spend. World keeps a turnin. Seriously if little green men want to take over nows the time.

RACIST.

Looking back I have no idea what I was in about there, but you’re probably into something.
RETROSPECTIVE RACIST

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Surely I am not the only one that can't work out what is happening in that photo?

She is refusing to get off the road. They are arresting her.

Its the imagery that is affecting people. White men in numbers in very heavy riot gear, one black woman in a summer dress and sandals with no protection, complaining about black men and women being killed by white police.

Does this photo also apply to the large % of hispanic or black police?

The BRPD (Baton Rouge Police Department) had 658 officers counted in the 2013 (most recent data collection) data, and 194 of them were black. There were 457 white officers for a city that’s just 36 percent white.

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Surely I am not the only one that can't work out what is happening in that photo?

She is refusing to get off the road. They are arresting her.

Its the imagery that is affecting people. White men in numbers in very heavy riot gear, one black woman in a summer dress and sandals with no protection, complaining about black men and women being killed by white police.

Does this photo also apply to the large % of hispanic or black police?

You were unable to work out what was happening. I explained what was happening. You can interpret it anyway you want

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Surely I am not the only one that can't work out what is happening in that photo?

She is refusing to get off the road. They are arresting her.

Its the imagery that is affecting people. White men in numbers in very heavy riot gear, one black woman in a summer dress and sandals with no protection, complaining about black men and women being killed by white police.

Does this photo also apply to the large % of hispanic or black police?

FFS, you muppet.

It is what it is, and not something for petty hair splitting. Leave your biases and hobby horses for anther time.

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Surely I am not the only one that can't work out what is happening in that photo?

She is refusing to get off the road. They are arresting her.

Its the imagery that is affecting people. White men in numbers in very heavy riot gear, one black woman in a summer dress and sandals with no protection, complaining about black men and women being killed by white police.

Does this photo also apply to the large % of hispanic or black police?