We have this strict set of rules that we apply which is called “Ethical AI”
It’s loosely based on the European AI and US AI acts. I’m struggling to see how any AI system that has autonomous kill capability being able to pass such legislation.
That Israeli system wouldn’t even get to first base.
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It’s not autonomous to that extent. It requires a decision in the chain of command to hit the target.
The Israeli system? It would fail on the basis of how it determined an individual was a Hamas terrorist.
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If you are ever interested in a balanced take on the Ukraine - Russia conflict, let me know. Happy for you to ask me difficult questions on this topic.
I will do the research to set you up with impartial sauces.
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Benny
The main question is; was the underlying issues of the Russian Ukraine war engineered & setup by the US ? aka did they start this war by engineering the overthrow of the previous govt & then encouraged the new govt to join the EU/NATO, after Ukraine specifically agreed not to after the breakup of the USSR?
In plainer terms did the US cause a scenario that could start WWIII with all its outcomes that threaten the whole world, & this act basically to enrich the already filthy rich?
I’m no expert. But what your asking doesn’t make sense (to me)
- there’d be easier ways to start WW3
- the Americans aren’t selling as much equipment as they could be
- Trump said he will stop the war, so how are they going to make money
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Don’t know about the money side of it, although some will be raking it in, but I reckon Uncle Sam is sitting back, drip feeding UK and just waiting to see Putin fall out of a window. They must be loving this behind the curtains.
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No.
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Obviously their intention wasn’t /isn’t to start WWIII. Some of the things rattling around my head are;
Does all the tech that goes into weapons manufactured by the EU/US come from the US?
Does the Donbas contain monstrous amounts of gas & oil?
Who stands to financially gain if Russia becomes a failed state?
Did the EU/US engineer the overthrow of the previous Russian leaning govt? They do have form in doing this sort of thing don’t they.
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Tech - no, rheinmetal goes alright.
Donbas - yes uuuuge untapped reserves.
Failed state - no one. A failed state full of drunks with nukes is probably not good for anyone. Maybe china.
Overthrow - depends who you believe. Where you get your info from (infowars etc) yes they did.
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Can you clarify this one B1408? We have heard Gorby confirm that NATO expansion was not an agenda topic as the USSR broke up- are you saying Ukraine independently committed not to join NATO? And even if they did, does that mean they never could at a later date?
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The USA is so smart they conned the Russians into the Crimea coup and made them “accidentally” cross into and claim eastern Ukraine in 2014.
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5D chess by Biden, I thought only Trump played in 5D.
Have you ever asked yourself why everything you post mirrors Russian foreign policy? Is there a small chance that you might have been influenced by Russian bot farms?
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Fixed.
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Ok. I’ll take that as a few different items.
- Did Ukraine ever agree not to join the EU or NATO?
I can find no mention in any source of Ukraine promising not to join either the EU or NATO when it split from Russia in 1991. Ukraine originally declared itself an independent neutral state and gave up its nukes in exchange for security guarantees from Russia, the US and the UK. This was not a promise to never join the EU or NATO.
Notably, Russia agreed to the following:
1. Respect the signatory’s independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).[7]
2. Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they “should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used”.
5. Not to use nuclear weapons against any non - nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.[8][9][10]
6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.[11][12]
So Ukraine didn’t make any promises to Russia, in the same way that no former Soviet country was restricted in any way for pursuing western alignment after the USSR collapsed. And as I know this is a common piece of Russian propaganda, there was no promise for NATO not to expand.
The idea of NATO enlargement beyond a united Germany was not on the agenda in 1989, particularly as the Warsaw Pact still existed until 1991. Mikhail Gorbachev said in an interview in 2014: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up either.”
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm
- Did the USA actively promote Ukraine joining the EU or NATO?
I highly recommend scanning through the Wikipedia article on Ukraine’s history with NATO.
What’s pretty clear from my reading of the history over the last couple of years is that NATO wasn’t a realistic thing for Ukraine in the lead up to 2014. France and Germany were against it, the US was fairly luke warm. They were on a never ending journey of membership at some vague future date. I have seen nothing that gives any sign of the US being overly invested in Ukraine in the lead up to 2014, it was all diplomatic niceties and fluff.
There was no sudden event in relation to NATO that pushed Putin off the edge so to speak. It had been brewing for a decade and was going to keep brewing for decades more.
- Did the USA actively promote the Maidan revolution in 2014?
Watch the documentary on Netflix. Looking back on it still makes me upset, but it’s a really important thing to understand the headspace of the Ukrainian people during this time. I find it really frustrating that nobody gives the Ukrainian people any agency attributing blame for the revolution to a CIA plot.
Otherwise, check out the wikipedia article and look at the domestic political machinations in the lead up to the revolution.
Basically what went down is Yanukovych had been negotiating an agreement with the EU from 2012 onwards as an election commitment. This had huge domestic support inside Ukraine as they had seen the economic benefits that nations like Poland had experienced from EU membership. The Ukrainian economy has stagnated since 1991, heavily due to corruption driven by Russian domination of the political and business environments, so there was a very understandable desire from the population to pursue an economic future aligned to Europe.
At the last minute Yanukovych cancelled the EU agreement and signed an economic partnership with Russia, at the behest of Putin. It’s not hard to see the puppet strings from the Kremlin to the Ukrainian leadership in this move. Understandably, the Ukrainian people protested the reneging of the promise to progress towards EU membership. It was this massive nationwide peaceful protest that resulted in Yanukovych fleeing the country. It stretches credibility to see the US as able to orchestrate such a popular uprising.
A few months later Putin orchestrated the annexation of Crimea. Ukriane only progressed with NATO membership AFTER Russia invaded Crimea. Soon afterwards Putin sent the Russian army into much of eastern Ukraine, being pushed out of all but the Donbas. He manufactured an independence movement out of some hilariously pathetic Ukrainian individuals. This proxy conflict was supported by Putin from 2014 through to the invasion in 2022. I’m going to assume you don’t need me to demonstrate that the DNR and LDR sham states were full of crap.
I really do believe that Putin thinks the CIA plot to overthrow the Ukrainian government was real.
Arguably the biggest side effect of covid was the war in Ukraine. Putin isolated himself in his mansion for 2 years, requiring all staff and visitors to isolate for weeks before seeing him. This was the start of the comically long table meetings. Over this period Putin’s behaviour changed, it was in this time that he started to talk about the junk history that he spouted to Tucker Carlson for over 30 minutes. Putin’s years of isolation left him surrounded by yes men and seems to have distorted the dictator’s world view. If you’re interested it’s worth digging into Putin’s behaviour before and after the covid pandemic.
Putin made moves to invade Ukriane in 2021, but decided to withdraw at the last minute. He repeated the preparations in 2022, this time pulling the trigger. The only thing that had changed from 2014 through to the invasion was Putin’s time in self enforced solitary confinement.
Again, happy to pull this apart more if you like. Just so you’re aware, the talking points you’ve raised are pretty standard Russian propaganda that they are trying to push into far left and far right information channels.
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Five years after Macron called our PM a liar, the Russkis get the same treatment. ScumMo is in the company he deserves.
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