So you think Mark Harvey is stupid? Now it makes sense.Talk to me once you have had a half decent conversation with Harv's.
I’ve had 3 good conversations with Harvs over the past 10 years, and what you’re saying is bizzare to me.
Have any of you actually spoken to Mark ? Thick as a plank, whereas you talk to a Bomber or a Sheeds, you just know they are switched on, inquisitive, sharp as axes.I like my coaches to have a modicum of intelligence.
Ask M Pavlich about the mixed messages they used to get from the coach & how the young players would come up to him before a game & ask him as captain wtf did the coach just tell them to do, because they had no idea. Great coaching there, but what would Matthew Pavlich know?
Must admit I find it hard to understand Harvs when he speaks, seems to mumble a lot, many times he finishes a sentence & i wonder what was actually said, what was the key message
He was a Bomber legend, he is Richmond now, he will sacked before season’ end, where once again he overnight becomes a Bomber again (even though we are talking about the same person).
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Matthew Pavlich has opened up about the difficulties the Fremantle Dockers faced under former coach, Mark Harvey. In his just-released autobiography, Purple Heart, Pavlich recalls Harvey’s final season and says assistant coach Chris Scott would have taken the top job had Harvey been sacked a year earlier, which had been given “serious consideration”. But the Dockers made the finals and Harvey survived for a year.Of Harvey, he said: “I have no doubt that Harvs’ football grounding compounded our issues in the latter half of 2011. That left-field thinking came to the fore: trying an obscure motivational technique, changing our training venue, exposing players to new roles. We would regularly apply impromptu and untrained methods at our stoppage structures, changing them in order to surprise the opposition. It was impulsive and while it had the potential to work in our favour, that outcome was reliant upon the remainder of our game plan and system being rock solid. It wasn’t. Given our lack of success I accepted the need for some experimenting and adding some different elements to our game style, but ultimately it all made for reactive players who were thinking too much and not playing on instinct. Bad footy was the result. The other issue with Harvs was the way the message was delivered. Like all good coaches, he was trying to be hard and demanding on the players, but the message became garbled - to the point where a player would walk out of a team meeting and ask, ‘What was that all about?’ It was a frustrating period and put me in a tough position. The captain has to back up the coach and make sure his message gets through to the players. Often with Harvs I was playing the role of translator rather than someone reinforcing his message.”
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The only AFL captain to stick up for Jobe & the Bombers during the saga - good to have your back too
So you think Mark Harvey is stupid? Now it makes sense.Talk to me once you have had a half decent conversation with Harv's.
Doesn’t sound like you have.
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Matthew Pavlich has opened up about the difficulties the Fremantle Dockers faced under former coach, Mark Harvey. In his just-released autobiography, Purple Heart, Pavlich recalls Harvey’s final season and says assistant coach Chris Scott would have taken the top job had Harvey been sacked a year earlier, which had been given “serious consideration”. But the Dockers made the finals and Harvey survived for a year.Of Harvey, he said: “I have no doubt that Harvs’ football grounding compounded our issues in the latter half of 2011. That left-field thinking came to the fore: trying an obscure motivational technique, changing our training venue, exposing players to new roles. We would regularly apply impromptu and untrained methods at our stoppage structures, changing them in order to surprise the opposition. It was impulsive and while it had the potential to work in our favour, that outcome was reliant upon the remainder of our game plan and system being rock solid. It wasn’t. Given our lack of success I accepted the need for some experimenting and adding some different elements to our game style, but ultimately it all made for reactive players who were thinking too much and not playing on instinct. Bad footy was the result. The other issue with Harvs was the way the message was delivered. Like all good coaches, he was trying to be hard and demanding on the players, but the message became garbled - to the point where a player would walk out of a team meeting and ask, ‘What was that all about?’ It was a frustrating period and put me in a tough position. The captain has to back up the coach and make sure his message gets through to the players. Often with Harvs I was playing the role of translator rather than someone reinforcing his message.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/pssst-mark-harvey-cops-hammering-in-matthew-pavlichs-book-20151007-gk3ezv.html#ixzz468uMVUlf
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The only AFL captain to stick up for Jobe & the Bombers during the saga - good to have your back too
What on earth does that mean in this conversation?
He didn’t watch AFL footy on TV when he was a head coach & that doesn’t ring any alarm bells?
He gambled on footy just as much as Wayne Carey, Mark Rucuitto, Dean Wallis, (but not as much as Shwartz or Fev, when he was AC at Freo & the Bombers previously) & that doesn’t ring alarm bells?
He might know his footy, but just have a look at those names I just named as gamblers & you tell me which ones are Rhodes scholars & which ones aren’t?
He didn't watch AFL footy on TV when he was a head coach & that doesn't ring any alarm bells?He gambled on footy just as much as Wayne Carey, Mark Rucuitto, Dean Wallis, (but not as much as Shwartz or Fev, when he was AC at Freo & the Bombers previously) & that doesn’t ring alarm bells?
He might know his footy, but just have a look at those names I just named as gamblers & you tell me which ones are Rhodes scholars & which ones aren’t?
Again what does being a Rhodes Scholar have to do with this? Ross Lyon isn’t a Rhodes Scholar and hasn’t won jack all as a head coach. Clarkson is a meat head and isn’t a Rhodes Scholar but he is a damn good head coach, one of the all time great head coaches.
FWIW I don’t think Harvs was a brilliant head coach but he wasn’t the worst ever. I also don’t think much of Ross Lyon, a man who thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
He didn't watch AFL footy on TV when he was a head coach & that doesn't ring any alarm bells?He gambled on footy just as much as Wayne Carey, Mark Rucuitto, Dean Wallis, (but not as much as Shwartz or Fev, when he was AC at Freo & the Bombers previously) & that doesn’t ring alarm bells?
He might know his footy, but just have a look at those names I just named as gamblers & you tell me which ones are Rhodes scholars & which ones aren’t?
You do realise that they have lives outside of footy?
There are coaches that have roles to analyse the opposition and report back to him?
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Matthew Pavlich has opened up about the difficulties the Fremantle Dockers faced under former coach, Mark Harvey. In his just-released autobiography, Purple Heart, Pavlich recalls Harvey’s final season and says assistant coach Chris Scott would have taken the top job had Harvey been sacked a year earlier, which had been given “serious consideration”. But the Dockers made the finals and Harvey survived for a year.Of Harvey, he said: “I have no doubt that Harvs’ football grounding compounded our issues in the latter half of 2011. That left-field thinking came to the fore: trying an obscure motivational technique, changing our training venue, exposing players to new roles. We would regularly apply impromptu and untrained methods at our stoppage structures, changing them in order to surprise the opposition. It was impulsive and while it had the potential to work in our favour, that outcome was reliant upon the remainder of our game plan and system being rock solid. It wasn’t. Given our lack of success I accepted the need for some experimenting and adding some different elements to our game style, but ultimately it all made for reactive players who were thinking too much and not playing on instinct. Bad footy was the result. The other issue with Harvs was the way the message was delivered. Like all good coaches, he was trying to be hard and demanding on the players, but the message became garbled - to the point where a player would walk out of a team meeting and ask, ‘What was that all about?’ It was a frustrating period and put me in a tough position. The captain has to back up the coach and make sure his message gets through to the players. Often with Harvs I was playing the role of translator rather than someone reinforcing his message.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/pssst-mark-harvey-cops-hammering-in-matthew-pavlichs-book-20151007-gk3ezv.html#ixzz468uMVUlf
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on FacebookPoor widdle Pav had to learn to do more than just stand a FF and wait for someone to kick it to him.
The only AFL captain to stick up for Jobe & the Bombers during the saga - good to have your back too
What on earth does that mean in this conversation?
You are having direct digs at Pav’s character - I would say he has more character than the rest of the AFL captains put together. He stuck up for our club when it wasn’t popular too & you insinuate he is a hard done-by FF.
Do you reckon every ex Bomber player is a genius coach? Do you want to hear stories about Tim Watson’s stint at StKilda?
Back to Richmond…
What was Brendan Gale’s prediction a few years ago? 3 flag in 5 years?
Hilarious.
LOL Ross Lyon.
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Matthew Pavlich has opened up about the difficulties the Fremantle Dockers faced under former coach, Mark Harvey. In his just-released autobiography, Purple Heart, Pavlich recalls Harvey’s final season and says assistant coach Chris Scott would have taken the top job had Harvey been sacked a year earlier, which had been given “serious consideration”. But the Dockers made the finals and Harvey survived for a year.Of Harvey, he said: “I have no doubt that Harvs’ football grounding compounded our issues in the latter half of 2011. That left-field thinking came to the fore: trying an obscure motivational technique, changing our training venue, exposing players to new roles. We would regularly apply impromptu and untrained methods at our stoppage structures, changing them in order to surprise the opposition. It was impulsive and while it had the potential to work in our favour, that outcome was reliant upon the remainder of our game plan and system being rock solid. It wasn’t. Given our lack of success I accepted the need for some experimenting and adding some different elements to our game style, but ultimately it all made for reactive players who were thinking too much and not playing on instinct. Bad footy was the result. The other issue with Harvs was the way the message was delivered. Like all good coaches, he was trying to be hard and demanding on the players, but the message became garbled - to the point where a player would walk out of a team meeting and ask, ‘What was that all about?’ It was a frustrating period and put me in a tough position. The captain has to back up the coach and make sure his message gets through to the players. Often with Harvs I was playing the role of translator rather than someone reinforcing his message.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/pssst-mark-harvey-cops-hammering-in-matthew-pavlichs-book-20151007-gk3ezv.html#ixzz468uMVUlf
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on FacebookPoor widdle Pav had to learn to do more than just stand a FF and wait for someone to kick it to him.
The only AFL captain to stick up for Jobe & the Bombers during the saga - good to have your back too
What on earth does that mean in this conversation?
You are having direct digs at Pav’s character - I would say he has more character than the rest of the AFL captains put together. He stuck up for our club when it wasn’t popular too & you insinuate he is a hard done-by FF.
Do you reckon every ex Bomber player is a genius coach? Do you want to hear stories about Tim Watson’s stint at StKilda?
What is wrong with you? Why do you have this desire to attack Harvs and call him as thick as a plank and insult him?
No one said anyone was a genius . At least argue with relevance instead of building an argument based on some bias you have.
For some reason you love Pav more than ex-Essendon players. What has Harvs done to you to warrant this insulting attack on his intelligence?
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Matthew Pavlich has opened up about the difficulties the Fremantle Dockers faced under former coach, Mark Harvey. In his just-released autobiography, Purple Heart, Pavlich recalls Harvey’s final season and says assistant coach Chris Scott would have taken the top job had Harvey been sacked a year earlier, which had been given “serious consideration”. But the Dockers made the finals and Harvey survived for a year.Of Harvey, he said: “I have no doubt that Harvs’ football grounding compounded our issues in the latter half of 2011. That left-field thinking came to the fore: trying an obscure motivational technique, changing our training venue, exposing players to new roles. We would regularly apply impromptu and untrained methods at our stoppage structures, changing them in order to surprise the opposition. It was impulsive and while it had the potential to work in our favour, that outcome was reliant upon the remainder of our game plan and system being rock solid. It wasn’t. Given our lack of success I accepted the need for some experimenting and adding some different elements to our game style, but ultimately it all made for reactive players who were thinking too much and not playing on instinct. Bad footy was the result. The other issue with Harvs was the way the message was delivered. Like all good coaches, he was trying to be hard and demanding on the players, but the message became garbled - to the point where a player would walk out of a team meeting and ask, ‘What was that all about?’ It was a frustrating period and put me in a tough position. The captain has to back up the coach and make sure his message gets through to the players. Often with Harvs I was playing the role of translator rather than someone reinforcing his message.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/pssst-mark-harvey-cops-hammering-in-matthew-pavlichs-book-20151007-gk3ezv.html#ixzz468uMVUlf
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on FacebookPoor widdle Pav had to learn to do more than just stand a FF and wait for someone to kick it to him.
The only AFL captain to stick up for Jobe & the Bombers during the saga - good to have your back too
What on earth does that mean in this conversation?
You are having direct digs at Pav’s character - I would say he has more character than the rest of the AFL captains put together. He stuck up for our club when it wasn’t popular too & you insinuate he is a hard done-by FF.
Do you reckon every ex Bomber player is a genius coach? Do you want to hear stories about Tim Watson’s stint at StKilda?
What is wrong with you? Why do you have this desire to attack Harvs and call him as thick as a plank and insult him?
No one said anyone was a genius . At least argue with relevance instead of building an argument based on some bias you have.
For some reason you love Pav more than ex-Essendon players. What has Harvs done to you to warrant this insulting attack on his intelligence?
I said MH was a good AC, about the same as Dimma, who I reckon is also a good AC, but that is about the limit of their ability. They can motivate & train them & tear strips off them, good qualities for a AC.
I gave you first hand info re what Pav said about MH coaching methods, & all you do is insult Pav & accuse me of not arguing with relevance. Well if first hand knowledge is not relevant, than WTF is? The vibe?
You don’t seem to have any problems with MH being a person who gambles on footy when he was AC at us previously & Freo? What planet are you from if you don’t have any issues with that? If that doesn’t ring alarm bells, what does?
And not wanting to watch footy on TV, fine that’s his prerogative, but if I was 3000km from a game & I was playing a team that was playing on TV the following week, I would want to watch them. But maybe that’s just me, as others on here are saying that delegating that is fine.
Lyon doesn’t get enough respect.
Lyon doesn't get enough respect.Screw R Lyon.
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Matthew Pavlich has opened up about the difficulties the Fremantle Dockers faced under former coach, Mark Harvey. In his just-released autobiography, Purple Heart, Pavlich recalls Harvey’s final season and says assistant coach Chris Scott would have taken the top job had Harvey been sacked a year earlier, which had been given “serious consideration”. But the Dockers made the finals and Harvey survived for a year.Of Harvey, he said: “I have no doubt that Harvs’ football grounding compounded our issues in the latter half of 2011. That left-field thinking came to the fore: trying an obscure motivational technique, changing our training venue, exposing players to new roles. We would regularly apply impromptu and untrained methods at our stoppage structures, changing them in order to surprise the opposition. It was impulsive and while it had the potential to work in our favour, that outcome was reliant upon the remainder of our game plan and system being rock solid. It wasn’t. Given our lack of success I accepted the need for some experimenting and adding some different elements to our game style, but ultimately it all made for reactive players who were thinking too much and not playing on instinct. Bad footy was the result. The other issue with Harvs was the way the message was delivered. Like all good coaches, he was trying to be hard and demanding on the players, but the message became garbled - to the point where a player would walk out of a team meeting and ask, ‘What was that all about?’ It was a frustrating period and put me in a tough position. The captain has to back up the coach and make sure his message gets through to the players. Often with Harvs I was playing the role of translator rather than someone reinforcing his message.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/pssst-mark-harvey-cops-hammering-in-matthew-pavlichs-book-20151007-gk3ezv.html#ixzz468uMVUlf
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on FacebookPoor widdle Pav had to learn to do more than just stand a FF and wait for someone to kick it to him.
The only AFL captain to stick up for Jobe & the Bombers during the saga - good to have your back too
What on earth does that mean in this conversation?
You are having direct digs at Pav’s character - I would say he has more character than the rest of the AFL captains put together. He stuck up for our club when it wasn’t popular too & you insinuate he is a hard done-by FF.
Do you reckon every ex Bomber player is a genius coach? Do you want to hear stories about Tim Watson’s stint at StKilda?
What is wrong with you? Why do you have this desire to attack Harvs and call him as thick as a plank and insult him?
No one said anyone was a genius . At least argue with relevance instead of building an argument based on some bias you have.
For some reason you love Pav more than ex-Essendon players. What has Harvs done to you to warrant this insulting attack on his intelligence?
I said MH was a good AC, about the same as Dimma, who I reckon is also a good AC, but that is about the limit of their ability. They can motivate & train them & tear strips off them, good qualities for a AC.
I gave you first hand info re what Pav said about MH coaching methods, & all you do is insult Pav & accuse me of not arguing with relevance. Well if first hand knowledge is not relevant, than WTF is? The vibe?
You don’t seem to have any problems with MH being a person who gambles on footy when he was AC at us previously & Freo? What planet are you from if you don’t have any issues with that? If that doesn’t ring alarm bells, what does?
And not wanting to watch footy on TV, fine that’s his prerogative, but if I was 3000km from a game & I was playing a team that was playing on TV the following week, I would want to watch them. But maybe that’s just me, as others on here are saying that delegating that is fine.
Players come a dime a dozen who don’t like some of their ex-coaches and their training/coaching styles. Kennett didn’t think Clarkson could coach and he had first hand knowledge of Clarkson at work, Sheeds was almost sacked because the players didn’t particularly like his style at first (and other times). Writing a book about personal gripes doesn’t make it right or wrong, just his opinion and hardly points to being as bad as you want it to be.
As for the gambling, it was quite widespread in the AFL during that time, not just at Essendon but almost every club. Basing your opinion on Harvs on that issue alone is very narrow focussed.
As for calling someone’s character into question (which I did not do for Pav btw, just the way you took it), you are doing a great job of doing that to Harvs. You are not just saying he wasn’t a good coach, you called him thick - basically stupid - and have called his character into question.
Lyon doesn't get enough respect.Screw R Lyon.
OK.
Wonder if Richmond will do that 10 in a row thing and make everything think they are the greatest for them to sneak into the finals and fail again