McPhee was actually pretty good for them. Even Kepler did well on occasion.
I would love the Bombers to finish 3rd one year & be called a rabble 12 months later.
If he was that good, why wasn't he snapped up by another club for the head coaching role? Why isn't he our head coach now?He didn’t like watching AFL footy on TV (in fact he would ignore it), which for an interstate coach is my eyes, a big no no, as you can’t expect to see many games live based in Perth.
And he certainly wasn’t a tactical genius that’s for sure & picking up ex Bomber players like Kepler & McPhee doesn’t shout out great list management to me too. Oh & IT, why do you ignore 2008 & 2009 (esp when they were 11th in 2007 & 3rd in 2006) when he had full lists to choose from or 2013 for that matter? Bit selective
Because they were the years when he took a rabble of a side and had to try and deal with a culture problem and clearing off dead wood. He went upwards from there and it was only an appallingly bad injury year that made them drop off (as any side will when almost three quarters of your starting team is out injured).
Not saying Harvs was a brilliant coach but to wipe him off as a nobody is unfair from you. Lyon took the same list and still inly got them to to 6th, the same spot Harvs got them too.
He then tweaked the game style and brought in some new players and moved them to a GF. What he has achieved since is not a brilliant coaching trait.
Like Neale Daniher at the Dees?Bitchmond. Lol.I feel sorry for Hardwick, he deserves better.
Nope.
He’s not Essendon anymore, he’s Richmond !End of story…
I’d take Hardwick back in a heartbeat if it wasn’t for his bizarre recruiting policy
Have any of you actually spoken to Mark ? Thick as a plank, whereas you talk to a Bomber or a Sheeds, you just know they are switched on, inquisitive, sharp as axes.
I like my coaches to have a modicum of intelligence.
Ask M Pavlich about the mixed messages they used to get from the coach & how the young players would come up to him before a game & ask him as captain wtf did the coach just tell them to do, because they had no idea. Great coaching there, but what would Matthew Pavlich know?
So you think Mark Harvey is stupid? Now it makes sense.
Add D Solomon and M Johnson to the list. These blokes were recruited because the Freo list at that time was lacking experience and most importantly, players who had experienced success and knew what it takes to win. Those blokes were never going to take them from the lower reaches of the competition to the top four overnight but I bet you the lessons they passed on to their underachieving teammates were long lasting and would be remembered even today. Harvey brought a professionalism to that club and a level of respect that they could only previously dream of, something that should be acknowledged.
As for why isn’t he coaching anyone else? That’s because he doesn’t want to. Brisbane wanted him to replace M Voss but Harvey declined. Not surprising after what happened to himself at Freo. Fair to say he couldn’t do to Voss what came so easily to R Lyon. And who could blame him.
Have any of you actually spoken to Mark ? Thick as a plank, whereas you talk to a Bomber or a Sheeds, you just know they are switched on, inquisitive, sharp as axes.I like my coaches to have a modicum of intelligence.
Ask M Pavlich about the mixed messages they used to get from the coach & how the young players would come up to him before a game & ask him as captain wtf did the coach just tell them to do, because they had no idea. Great coaching there, but what would Matthew Pavlich know?
Ok, M Harvey has been consistently employed at 3 different clubs as either an assistant, senior assistant + head coach since 1998 and you think he’s an idiot?
I think you’re an idiot.
Have any of you actually spoken to Mark ? Thick as a plank, whereas you talk to a Bomber or a Sheeds, you just know they are switched on, inquisitive, sharp as axes.I like my coaches to have a modicum of intelligence.
Ask M Pavlich about the mixed messages they used to get from the coach & how the young players would come up to him before a game & ask him as captain wtf did the coach just tell them to do, because they had no idea. Great coaching there, but what would Matthew Pavlich know?
I’ve been told similar but Pavlich is dumb as a box of hammers - my friend runs a cafe in Freo and she recons it’s like serving the Incredible Hulk; pav order latte, pav not get biscuit - PAV SMASH!
that kind of thing.
I’d also like to say on an intelligence scale I’m not sure if box of hammers rates higher than a plank, but I recon it might compare well to pig ■■■■.
All i know about harvs is that he looks like he wants to headbutt everyone he talks to.
Lots of K Sheedy’s former players don’t rate him as a coach or human being in some instances. In other words it’s not unusual for players to get cranky with their coach. Judge Harvey on how he left them placed as a side and a club and no one can argue they were worse off.
So you think Mark Harvey is stupid? Now it makes sense.Talk to me once you have had a half decent conversation with Harv's.
Add D Solomon and M Johnson to the list. These blokes were recruited because the Freo list at that time was lacking experience and most importantly, players who had experienced success and knew what it takes to win. Those blokes were never going to take them from the lower reaches of the competition to the top four overnight but I bet you the lessons they passed on to their underachieving teammates were long lasting and would be remembered even today. Harvey brought a professionalism to that club and a level of respect that they could only previously dream of, something that should be acknowledged.As for why isn’t he coaching anyone else? That’s because he doesn’t want to. Brisbane wanted him to replace M Voss but Harvey declined. Not surprising after what happened to himself at Freo. Fair to say he couldn’t do to Voss what came so easily to R Lyon. And who could blame him.
They finished 3rd in 2006, 12 months before MH took over.
They were not like some useless team that had finished in the lower reaches for the previous 10 years or something
Have any of you actually spoken to Mark ? Thick as a plank, whereas you talk to a Bomber or a Sheeds, you just know they are switched on, inquisitive, sharp as axes.I like my coaches to have a modicum of intelligence.
Ask M Pavlich about the mixed messages they used to get from the coach & how the young players would come up to him before a game & ask him as captain wtf did the coach just tell them to do, because they had no idea. Great coaching there, but what would Matthew Pavlich know?
Ok, M Harvey has been consistently employed at 3 different clubs as either an assistant, senior assistant + head coach since 1998 and you think he’s an idiot?I think you’re an idiot.
He’s a good motivator & would run a pretty mean training session, great signs for an Assistant Coach. Tony Elshaugh was a AC for about 16 years for 3 clubs too.
He’s a good AC, no more, no less ; his best footy mates used to be Dean Wallis & John Barnes, need I say anymore?
And thanks for the insult Diggers, I’ve always liked you.
Have any of you actually spoken to Mark ? Thick as a plank, whereas you talk to a Bomber or a Sheeds, you just know they are switched on, inquisitive, sharp as axes.I like my coaches to have a modicum of intelligence.
Ask M Pavlich about the mixed messages they used to get from the coach & how the young players would come up to him before a game & ask him as captain wtf did the coach just tell them to do, because they had no idea. Great coaching there, but what would Matthew Pavlich know?
Yeh Freaking Pavlich, no idea.
Have any of you actually spoken to Mark ? Thick as a plank, whereas you talk to a Bomber or a Sheeds, you just know they are switched on, inquisitive, sharp as axes.I like my coaches to have a modicum of intelligence.
Ask M Pavlich about the mixed messages they used to get from the coach & how the young players would come up to him before a game & ask him as captain wtf did the coach just tell them to do, because they had no idea. Great coaching there, but what would Matthew Pavlich know?
Ok, M Harvey has been consistently employed at 3 different clubs as either an assistant, senior assistant + head coach since 1998 and you think he’s an idiot?I think you’re an idiot.
He’s a good motivator & would run a pretty mean training session, great signs for an Assistant Coach. Tony Elshaugh was a AC for about 16 years for 3 clubs too.
He’s a good AC, no more, no less ; his best footy mates used to be Dean Wallis & John Barnes, need I say anymore?
And thanks for the insult Diggers, I’ve always liked you.
You’re welcome.
Mark may not look, or sometimes sound smart, but he is far from dim-witted. If you don’t know this, you don’t know him.
Pssst: Mark Harvey cops hammering in Matthew Pavlich’s book
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Matthew Pavlich has opened up about the difficulties the Fremantle Dockers faced under former coach, Mark Harvey. In his just-released autobiography, Purple Heart, Pavlich recalls Harvey’s final season and says assistant coach Chris Scott would have taken the top job had Harvey been sacked a year earlier, which had been given “serious consideration”. But the Dockers made the finals and Harvey survived for a year.
Of Harvey, he said: “I have no doubt that Harvs’ football grounding compounded our issues in the latter half of 2011. That left-field thinking came to the fore: trying an obscure motivational technique, changing our training venue, exposing players to new roles. We would regularly apply impromptu and untrained methods at our stoppage structures, changing them in order to surprise the opposition. It was impulsive and while it had the potential to work in our favour, that outcome was reliant upon the remainder of our game plan and system being rock solid. It wasn’t. Given our lack of success I accepted the need for some experimenting and adding some different elements to our game style, but ultimately it all made for reactive players who were thinking too much and not playing on instinct. Bad footy was the result. The other issue with Harvs was the way the message was delivered. Like all good coaches, he was trying to be hard and demanding on the players, but the message became garbled - to the point where a player would walk out of a team meeting and ask, ‘What was that all about?’ It was a frustrating period and put me in a tough position. The captain has to back up the coach and make sure his message gets through to the players. Often with Harvs I was playing the role of translator rather than someone reinforcing his message.”
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Like Neale Daniher at the Dees?Bitchmond. Lol.I feel sorry for Hardwick, he deserves better.
Nope.
He’s not Essendon anymore, he’s Richmond !End of story…
While they are there then yes. Daniher was different as he was going to a club no one gives a crappie about. Dimma is at a club we (most anyway) hope fail so badly that it hurts. Nothing personal, just business.
Does Bomber Thompson not count either because we don’t give a ■■■■ about the Cats? Or again only while he was there?
Blokes like Neale D, Dimma, Bomber T & M Harvey are more Essendon than you or me will ever be
Why are they more Essendon than us? Because they were better footballers than me?
Ask dimma next time you see him if he thinks he is a Bomber or a tiger. While he is there, he is Richmond and we (most of us) don’t like Richmond.
Richmond are about as ■■■■ as Melbourne, but apparently you had no issues with ND coaching the Dees, even though they have played way more finals & been more of a threat over the last 30 years that Richmond have been. I don’t like Richmond either, but they aren’t in my top 3 - if they are in your top 3, then you need a rethink about FC, Pies & Hawks.So in your eyes. he’s been an Essendon legend, is currently a Richmond rsole now & when he gets sacked after about Round 20, overnight he becomes an Essendon legend once again? How farking fickle is that?
I worked for PFD once, does that make me a Collingwood carnt? Or should I have stayed gainfully unemployed instead? Get a dose of reality Rosso, you have to make a crust somehow.
And if you think that TD is a FC carnt (he did go there as an Assistant), or Tim Watson a Saint carnt, or Bomber T a Cat carnt, you have NFI. All these blokes are Bomber legends, as is Dimma. They are more Essendon than us so deal with it - they pulled on the jumper.
And for what it’s worth, I’d welcome back Dimma to our club in a coaching role any day or the week - just not head coach, as he’s been found out just like M Harvey.
I’ll respond to this in full later but a couple of things.
- I never said Melbourne were as ■■■■ as Richmond, I said no one cares about Melbourne, they are a nothing club. Richmond are a power club (of sorts)
- you may need a dose of reality if you are getting so emotionally attached to a former club great when someone says “he’s not Essendon anymore, he’s richmind”. Do you not agree that Hardwick is Richmond? In fact, he has probably spent longer at Richmond than he did at Essendon anyway (like Daniher BTW).
Pssst: Mark Harvey cops hammering in Matthew Pavlich's book Date October 10, 2015 Be the first to commentRead later Jon Pierik and Daniel ChernyinShare
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Matthew Pavlich has opened up about the difficulties the Fremantle Dockers faced under former coach, Mark Harvey. In his just-released autobiography, Purple Heart, Pavlich recalls Harvey’s final season and says assistant coach Chris Scott would have taken the top job had Harvey been sacked a year earlier, which had been given “serious consideration”. But the Dockers made the finals and Harvey survived for a year.Of Harvey, he said: “I have no doubt that Harvs’ football grounding compounded our issues in the latter half of 2011. That left-field thinking came to the fore: trying an obscure motivational technique, changing our training venue, exposing players to new roles. We would regularly apply impromptu and untrained methods at our stoppage structures, changing them in order to surprise the opposition. It was impulsive and while it had the potential to work in our favour, that outcome was reliant upon the remainder of our game plan and system being rock solid. It wasn’t. Given our lack of success I accepted the need for some experimenting and adding some different elements to our game style, but ultimately it all made for reactive players who were thinking too much and not playing on instinct. Bad footy was the result. The other issue with Harvs was the way the message was delivered. Like all good coaches, he was trying to be hard and demanding on the players, but the message became garbled - to the point where a player would walk out of a team meeting and ask, ‘What was that all about?’ It was a frustrating period and put me in a tough position. The captain has to back up the coach and make sure his message gets through to the players. Often with Harvs I was playing the role of translator rather than someone reinforcing his message.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/pssst-mark-harvey-cops-hammering-in-matthew-pavlichs-book-20151007-gk3ezv.html#ixzz468uMVUlf
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Poor widdle Pav had to learn to do more than just stand a FF and wait for someone to kick it to him.