Sorry Saga - “It’s actually quite funny people thinking they know more than they actually do”


#4544

Dude. Just ask him simply.
What the ■■■■ is it going to take for a player or former administrator from Essendon to come out and state the actual truth. Not the version that we have been provided.
Also, who does he think Sarah was?
You’re going to need more than 15 mins man.


#4545

In 2016 Kazeme, a pharmacist, was suspended and convicted for ripping off Alavi


#4546

Here, boil your blood on this oldie from August 2013

AFL’s behind-the-scenes tactics in Essendon punishment talks exposed
Michael Warner, Mark Robinson, HeraldSun
December 4, 2013 4:53pm
EXCLUSIVE: SECRET documents and a bombshell email have lifted the lid on behind-the-scenes inducements offered to Essendon and James Hird as the AFL worked frantically to pressure him to accept drugs scandal penalties.
The Herald Sun tonight will reveal new details in the Essendon saga.

Earlier today, it was revealed that days before the August 26-27 AFL Commission hearing was due to consider penalties, deals were being proposed by Australia’s top government-appointed sports official, John Wylie.

Demetriou faces Hird pay questions

Mark Robinson opinion: Hearing was an illusion

A document emailed by Wylie to Little on the night of August 23 outlined potential settlement terms as the crisis threatened to spill into the Supreme Court.

Wylie, the Australian Sports Commission chairman, suggests: "Hird as senior coach takes responsibility for the inadequate governance and oversight within the club’s football department that gave rise to this situation.

"It is however acknowledged …. to the best of the AFL’s knowledge and belief, Hird did not promote or encourage an unethical environment within the club; Hird has not brought the game into disrepute.

“In the totality of the circumstances, the AFL will impose, and Hird will accept, a 12-month suspension from all coaching duties.”

In a separate document presented to Hird on August 23, amid negotiations between Wylie and Little, the Essendon coach is offered “an outstanding career development opportunity” in return for dropping his legal action against the AFL.

Offers of "no player sanctions’’ and "no double jeopardy’’ despite an ASADA investigation are discussed.

Wylie said last night: “I was requested by both Paul Little and (AFL Commission chairman) Mike Fitzpatrick, in the first instance by Paul, to assist in communications between the AFL and Essendon at a time when ­direct communication between them was difficult.”

DEMETRIOU DENIES DEAL

On 3AW this morning, Mr Demetriou said the sanctions against Essendon, Hird and other club officials were the toughest in the history of the sport.

“There’s no deal. The deal is what was announced on the day,” he said.

Mr Demetriou added that there were no inducements offered by the AFL.

But he said while the AFL Commission was not permitted to have dialogue with Essendon, he acknowledged chairman Mike Fitzpatrick’s friend Wylie, who was talking to Little, may have had dialogue with the Commission boss.

He said he was not privy to any negotiations as a commissioner.

Mr Demetriou also said the terms of the settlement included stipulation that Hird was not paid by Essendon amid suggestions he is potentially being paid while on suspension.

“He is not being paid. Part of the sanction is that he is suspended without pay from the Essendon Football Club,” he said.

But that statement was denied late today by spin doctor Ian Hanke, who advised Hird’s legal team.

Hanke said the documents outlining Hird’s penalty make no mention of the coach being suspended without pay.

“It gobsmacks me a little,” he said.

"I don’t know why Mr Demetriou has said that but it’s just not spelled out in any way, shape or form in the actual deed of arrangement that was reached between the AFL and Hird.

“I don’t know particularly what Mr Hird’s arrangements are with the Essendon Football Club but … (it has been reported he is being paid) and no one has denied this at all except Mr Demetriou, who said, I think rather misleadingly, that it stipulated in the deed that he wasn’t to be paid and that just isn’t the case.”

Mr Demetriou insisted there was nothing inappropriate about conversations held before the Commission hearing.

He issued a statement to AFL clubs today, posted on the afl.com.au website (READ MORE).

Essendon chairman Paul Little has refused to answer whether Hird is being paid by the club for the 2014 season.

When asked by the Herald Sun today, Little said: “No comment.”

In a statement late today, Essendon said: "In relation to media inquiries regarding James Hird’s pay, Essendon Football Club will not be commenting on issues covered by confidentiality agreements.

“Essendon Football Club will not make any further comment on this matter.”

In the wake of this morning’s Herald Sun revelations, AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou vehemently denied Hird would be paid during the term of his suspension, which started in August.

Hird emerged from his Toorak home at 6.30am today, unwilling to answer questions.

Dressed in a suit and tie, he got into his car and drove away without making comment.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has also weighed in, saying fairness in sport is key as the fallout from the latest Essendon revelations continues.

Responding to the Herald Sun story at a cricket event in Canberra, Mr Abbott said: “It’s important that sport is clean and fair.”

He made the quick comments after announcing Brett Lee will be captain of the Prime Minister’s XI team to play England in Canberra on January 14.

But the PM would not be drawn on whether a public inquiry into the Essendon matter was required or whether people could have faith in the integrity of sport following the exposé.

“I’m not going to comment on Aussie Rules today,” he said.

“I’ve made a few comments about cricket and I’m going to just be a one-sport person today if that’s okay.”

While this morning, new Bombers recruit Paul Chapman said the supplements sagawon’t seriously impact the team next season.

In response to the Herald Sun, AFL spokesman James Tonkin said last night: “Numerous discussions took place at different levels in a bid to resolve the matter as quickly and appropriately as possible.”

An offer to allow Hird to receive a full salary while serving a 12-month ban was also discussed.

The document presented to the Essendon coach reads: "Charge of bringing game into disrepute dropped. 12 months suspension starting now.’’

It states Hird could also keep his place in the AFL Hall of Fame and be “acknowledged by the AFL as a legend of the game”.

In exchange for the offers, the document says Hird therefore “withdraws all legal action immediately”.

A string of revelations to be published in the Herald Sun and The Australian over the coming days raises major perception issues surrounding the integrity and the outcome of both the drugs probe and the AFL Commission hearing.

Mr Demetriou said on August 7: “To suggest the AFL Commission and the people on the commission would somehow predetermine an outcome is offensive and just plain wrong.”

It is not known if all AFL commissioners were aware of Wylie’s involvement or of proposed inducements at the time they were asked to sign off on the final resolution against Essendon and its four officials on August 27.

Little last night confirmed the talks with Wylie. He said: "John Wylie is a longstanding personal friend and we discussed possible strategies for settling the dispute.’’

Hird is understood to have rebuffed the inducements put on the table on August 23, only to accept a 12-month suspension four days later under fierce pressure and fearing that he would be banished from the game and his club.

There were also discussions about sending Hird to Oxford University in England, where both Wylie and Fitzpatrick are Rhodes scholars.

Hird later independently applied to attend the exclusive Fontainebleau business school in France, passing an entrance exam in Singapore. He has just returned from his $120,000 MBA studies.

Sources have questioned why Wylie as chairman of the Sports Commission - which works with the Australian Sports and Anti-Doping Authority to fight drug cheating and which promotes integrity in sport - was drafted into pre-hearing bartering with the approval of AFL Commission chairman Fitzpatrick.

Proposed penalties for Mark Thompson, Bruce Reid and Danny Corcoran are also stated in correspondence, with Thompson cleared to coach again in 2014.

A club fine of $1.5 million and the deduction of 12 premiership points “so as to miss the finals” are also documented. The club was ultimately fined $2 million and relegated to ninth on the AFL ladder.

Hird and Fitzpatrick did not return questions from the ­Herald Sun


#4547

It didn’t work on Anzac Day, the short recovery before which should have been the ultimate example of where a big benefit was to be had. Also IIRC Hibberd had a recurrence of a hamstring on Anzac Day. Our soft tissue troubles began before we started losing. Rather, we started losing because training came to almost a standstill, to avoid further soft tissue damage, which was rampant, and our endurance became so bad, we were overrun in virtually every second half.
I think Alavi was just being self serving in saying he stopped supplying in April and that is why we failed so badly in the second half of the season.


#4548

Do you SAGA enthusiasts meet up on weekends and relive the turmoil of it all and go over and over it all again until you go numb?


#4549

This


#4550

Can you pls ask him how Weapon got the job at KPMG and no journo has written the story of the protection he’s been afforded, let alone got him to talk about how he landed this deal.

PS: WTF does he do at KPMG and why the hell would they want to employ him?


#4551

Fitzpatrick, who is media shy, comes out swinging, Tanner speaks out, so does Tim Watson, Crameri on Fox tonight. Something’s going down, MSM all over it. Seems to be topical for the journos why not us?


#4552

So its moved on from doing voice recognitions of Sarah and finding what C Grade acting school they were from? Momentum!!


#4553

What did Watson say?


#4554

Crameri breaking down on the preview clip. Tough to watch.


#4555

Yeah. That says it all.


#4556

Watson spoke on SEN two days ago, that he was not surprised at Fitzpatrick’s comments, as he had been saying the same for years before the investigations had begun.
He said that F had been telling his mates on the golf course.
Also that you could tell F had done his own research based on talking to a rival player [ sarcastica font]

In my view, F’s intense hatred of Essendon is linked to his birthplace of Hastings ( after which he named his companies). Hastings not only has a statue of John Coleman ( born there too) but also a street named after Hird ( Sheeds may also get a mention there)


#4557

Are you chanelling Gil, leave out the bits…?


#4558

woweee oh wow oh boy!! We must investigate Hastings!!!


#4559

I don’t have any bits mate… just been in and out of here since god knows when and its getting sad, the amount of hope and hanginf on thats evident in here is just genuinely sad and at times hard to read.


#4560

So stay the fk out & don’t read it maybe?? :thinking:


#4561

Nothing wrong with people hoping for justice.


#4562

We’re all waiting for that exact same thing you are waiting for - only you can put me in the gloomer category - just like our next premiership, I’m waiting for Essendon to grow a backbone and do something. Got nothing to donwith being in or out of this thread


#4563

wow bsd telling someone to not post in a thread thats talking about something he doesn’t like.

holy pot meet kettle