Wait, Hardies married?? Wtf is with the shirts then?He’s a communist. She’s from the Basque country, although I think she’s Spanish, not Basque. I know he speaks Basque which is unrelated to any other known language.
I don't understand. Are they saying our players didn't take injections of TB-4, but drank a protein shake containing TB-4. But, the protein shake didn't ACTUALLY contain TB-4. But, Dank THOUGHT it did. So, they're charging him with the INTENT to use TB-4.Could someone make it clearer, please?
That’s going to take a very legal case to prove I would have thought. Intent to use a banned substance, that has been proven not to be in the shake that was taken. Hmmmmmmm
I don't understand. Are they saying our players didn't take injections of TB-4, but drank a protein shake containing TB-4. But, the protein shake didn't ACTUALLY contain TB-4. But, Dank THOUGHT it did. So, they're charging him with the INTENT to use TB-4.Could someone make it clearer, please?
Nonsense on stilts?
I don’t understand. Are they saying our players didn’t take injections of TB-4, but drank a protein shake containing TB-4. But, the protein shake didn’t ACTUALLY contain TB-4. But, Dank THOUGHT it did. So, they’re charging him with the INTENT to use TB-4.
Could someone make it clearer, please?
it strikes me too that this finding basically makes it impossible for all club Doctors to maintain medical practices outside of their roles at the club. Doing so virtually places them in immediate breach of the code because they will likely be put in a position where they proscribe or recommend treatments which would be banned for athletes.Was just reading that part and about to ask the same thing. What a ■■■■■■ joke, why would dank bother to turn up and listen to that tripe. Not worth him wasting his time.
Ings just pointed out that the rules make exceptions for Drs in proper medical practice. I haven’t double checked but i’m sure he is right.
it strikes me too that this finding basically makes it impossible for all club Doctors to maintain medical practices outside of their roles at the club. Doing so virtually places them in immediate breach of the code because they will likely be put in a position where they proscribe or recommend treatments which would be banned for athletes.
Was just reading that part and about to ask the same thing. What a ■■■■■■ joke, why would dank bother to turn up and listen to that tripe. Not worth him wasting his time.
it strikes me too that this finding basically makes it impossible for all club Doctors to maintain medical practices outside of their roles at the club. Doing so virtually places them in immediate breach of the code because they will likely be put in a position where they proscribe or recommend treatments which would be banned for athletes.
lol, ASADA relying on Hirds "repeated three words "it must be legal, it must not harm the players and they must constent’ " to illustrate Danks disregard for direction from above and his rampant recklessness. Top of Page 11
Does anyone here remember the days of AOD-9604, them the good old days. What's next on the ASADA list laced oranges? magic Gatorade?PK’s and Tutti Frutti.
Nah, it must be those Jubes Jobe was eating in the coaches box, when injured.
the other, and perhaps most significant, thing in this is the suggestion the TB-4 is an ingredient in humanofort. It had not previously occurred to me but perhaps WADA intend to appeal on the basis that the players received TB-4 in the humanofort and not through independent administration of that specific substance.Been a lot of discussion about this on Twitter with Richad Ings and Chip. The suggestion is that it will not be pursued by WADA for the players because HUMANOFORT has been tested and does not contain any banned substances. They are attempting to establish that Dank though it contained TB4 and therefore was attempted trafficking.
ok thanks for that. I’ve been off twitter for a while.
the other, and perhaps most significant, thing in this is the suggestion the TB-4 is an ingredient in humanofort. It had not previously occurred to me but perhaps WADA intend to appeal on the basis that the players received TB-4 in the humanofort and not through independent administration of that specific substance.
Been a lot of discussion about this on Twitter with Richad Ings and Chip. The suggestion is that it will not be pursued by WADA for the players because HUMANOFORT has been tested and does not contain any banned substances. They are attempting to establish that Dank though it contained TB4 and therefore was attempted trafficking.
Does anyone here remember the days of AOD-9604, them the good old days. What's next on the ASADA list laced oranges? magic Gatorade?
PK’s and Tutti Frutti.
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2015/06/15/1227399/212783-hs-file-transcript-2015.pdf■■■.
The leaking of that is a deliberate ploy to set the expectation that Dank deserves a lifetime ban from sport.
And yes, you suspect the AFL still want Hird’s head.
Thank goodness we stayed away from that eucalyptus oil.
What’s brown with holes in it?
Swiss sh*t.
Is ASADA expected to tip in additional tax dollars due to the appeal? Will this be asked at the senate estimates meeting?
Meanwhile Coe is upset that Nestle don’t want to be seen with the cheats at the IAAF.
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2015/06/15/1227399/212783-hs-file-transcript-2015.pdf
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Does anyone here remember the days of AOD-9604, them the good old days. What’s next on the ASADA list laced oranges? magic Gatorade?
That 1st paragraph by Wilko7 reflects part of the problem here. Wilko7 mentions medical experimentation, no informed consent, recklessness, gross betrayal of trust etc. He states these as fact, but given no defense has been mounted (by Dank) and there has been no legal forum for the club or players to challenge these accusations, except for the issue as to whether our players took TB4, these remain untested claims from a joint investigation which began with the assumption of Dank's guilt.Wilko7 confuses the issue of due process which Dank never received with support for Dank’s innocence. They’re not the same thing.
The level of Dank’s guilt ie his degree of recklessness, ignorance of the rules, refusal to follow club established protocol (if there was any), and negligence in not keeping detailed records cannot be clearly understood unless Dank presents his version of the rationale and safety of the program and its implementation, and this is compared with the club’s understanding supported by our medical advice that the supplements are all safe.
It seems almost certain this will never happen.
Don’t make me laugh. Dank chose not to turn up to defend himself, despite being given every opportunity to do so. Saying he doesn’t like who has convened the Tribunal and the manner in which it is conducted doesn’t come close to establishing a lack of due process. You might want to look up what the requirement actually means. It doesn’t mean you’re innocent as long as you say you don’t like it.
It it also very far from anything resembling legal process to say no conclusions can be drawn if Dank doesn’t tell his side of the story. The evidence referred to in the Tribunal proceedings - including Dank’s own text messages - speaks very clearly.
You’re suspending disbelief in the face of all of the evidence to the contrary. If you don’t believe the evidence on the record, you might at least ask yourself this. Jobe Watson’s anger at what he and the players had been subjected to in 2012 was transparent in the press conference he gave. He spoke of “what happened to us should never have been allowed to happen”. I find it curious that Jobe would be so upset by a process that was totally well documented, totally safe, and totally approved. I guess he’s just making it all up, like everyone else, like the text messages, and the testimony of Reid, Hird and Thompson. Everyone lacks credit, except for the man who has never explained himself in any forum where the evidence can be put to him.
Was Jobe angry about the club self-reporting?
Was he angry about the AFL & ASADA hanging him out to dry on AOD?
Was he angry with the tone of the ASADA interviews and their deeply intrusive nature?
Was he angry about ant EFC club & player matters being selectively leaked to the media when the whole investigation was meant to be confidential?
Jobe had plenty to be angry/upset about. Don’t assume all of it is directed at the club.