@alex.f.94 I think the reason we are all in this thread is because we all believe that what happened to players representing our club was reprehensible. We also firmly believe that what happened was an injustice and as such should be called out. Any and all means to get clarity on the process should be applauded. Why is it that you feel so strongly that supporters should just move on and forget it ever happened?
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Instead of ASADA running up legal bills that are ultimately a budgetary cost funded by taxpayers, it could have released the documents.
There are taxpayers on this thread who have spent their own money on this issue and no doubt on other social causes, including assisting in maintaining this site.
Itâs their own earned income to choose how they disburse their discretionary income.
No need for gratuitous advice from a sniper who lacks the capacity to engage in a discourse.
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I havenât sniped anyone here bigallan.
This started out not so weird and then got weird.
I can understand people being despondent and negative and over it.
ThatâsâŚreasonable.
Blaming Francis for ASADA spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on hiding evidenceâŚthatâs weird.
Why not blame ASADA for spending all that money?
As for the idea that theyâre spending all that money to hide nothing very muchâŚ
Never mind that it doesnât sound very likely, itâs justâŚa really odd thing to say from someone who doesnât care.
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Iâm not really laying blame on anyone for wasting resources, just saying it is a waste. I also never said I donât care. I do care but there is just not enough interest for any of this to result in anything and accept that for what it is, and accept in the grand scheme of things this doesnât really matter to anyone but a small select couple of hundred individuals.
Can bang on about this matter all we like but nothing is changing, no matter what the outcome is. The time for anyone of this to actually have some weight is almost 10 years ago now.
But why does it bother you that one guy with no connection to Essendon is trying to expose what seems very much like corruption in a government agency?
And I think corruption in a government agency affects a lot more than just a small select âcouple of hundredâ individuals.
Maybe he will, maybe he wonât.
You seem very passionate about the idea that this guy shouldnât even try.
He can do what he wants, surely?
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As Jobe said, Keep digging .BensonâŚ
A wrong canât be undone, but recognition that a wrong has been done is important.
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Im glad Bruce is standing up for the players, and justice itself.
All people should give a â â â â about truth and justice and standing up to dodgey â â â â â !
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If something positive happens from thisâŚwho knows if it willâŚ.but if it does than Bruce should get some kind of recognition from the clubâŚmaybe something Iike life membershipâŚheck he deserves something.
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Bruce reminds me of that clerk in the Le Carre novel A Small Town in Germany.
That wonât happen because the club became complicit in the coverup. Didnât they even welcome Evans back into the club? Grub.
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I donât believe weâll ever be able to prove the complete ineptitude and predetermined nature of the CAS verdict as that process is too far removed from a minnow sport in Oz for them to even care if they looked in the mirror one night and realised what a bunch of corrupt useless farkers they are. So one of many problems has always been that the AFL ADT found us not guilty and that was overruled by the higher authority.
The show cause notices should never have been issued as there was insufficient evidence and the case should never have gone to the ADT. If it can be shown that the initial (show cause) step in the process that led eventually to the CAS guilty verdict was manipulated rather than being due process, then maybe that leads to the question as to why should the players wear a guilty verdict when they should not have been charged in the first place.
But I agree itâs a longshot.
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BTW what do posters think of ASADA , a non voting signatory to WADA, involving a commitment to further the goals of a private international organisation.
- given that it is a Commonwealth statutory body, staffed by public servants, whose functions are to serve the residents of Australia within the disciplines of the Australian legal system
- but which give precedence to recourse to a private international legal system and Swiss law over rights under Australian law and determination by judges appointed under the Australian judicial system.
In addition, under our own law, sports federation are exempt from the accountability imposed on other NFPs , including charities and Unions,.
Something is rotten in Australian administrative law.
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Yeah didnât hepp play a round of golf with Dave and gush about what a good mate he was. Should have fallen on his sword. I call for a parliamentary inquest into heppells association with known anti essendon conspirators.
Itâs not just international v Domestic. Michael Rogers, with the backing of his equipe and UCi processes, not registered in Australia, succesfully fought presence of a WADA banned substance , not contentious. Compare that with the procedures and costs to Shayna Jack, only succeeded in challenging the length of her suspension. Athletes registered to an Australian sporting body are vulnerable to the vigilantes who want to get scores on the board, just to further their international career options.
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The â â â â â about to hit the fan.There will be â â â â loads of people backpedaling.EFC needs to sue the â â â â out of the media for the â â â â they spurned on our club.
Most concerning is the AFL contesting.
If those â â â â â donât want it public then itâs got value.
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That post is too arrogantly childish even for the alex.f.94 who first appeared here 12 years ago. I thought youâd grown up in the meantime, but if you had youâve recently regressed â or else youâre entering a very early second childhood.
Come on now: do me, all of us and most of all yourself, a very big favour and spend ten minutes reading the Wikipedia article on the Dreyfus Affair. If you did even you might be amazed at the astounding parallels between the promulgation of âlâAffaireâ and that of the Essendon saga .
And, by the way, your contemptuous characterization of Bruce as âone old dude with way too much time on his hands â â â â â â â into the wind,â says more about your persistent inadequacies than it does about the target of your childish pique.
Sometimes you really are pathetic, alex - an emotionally immature attention seeker. In other words, youâre coming on like just another egotistic troll.
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Not true that the only people interested are those on this thread. The HS at a very high level has a keen on-going interest because of what happened to the AFL finalsâ accreditation of one of its reporters back in 2013. Some senior Australian judges have come out to say the 34 verdicts were unsound. Finally, I would have thought 34 young Australians would have an interest as would the three remaining support persons. I and many others believe the truth is worth fighting for.
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If they are fighting this hard, then what are they hiding?
This is why we need a Federal ICAC.
This is why itâs being fought against.
At the least,
give Jobe back his Brownlow.
Apologise to James and the club.
Sack all who were involved at AFL house.
Farkcarlton
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