You wanted openess and honesty but it seems people on this forum only want a one way conversation.
I will ask two questions.
What was so insightful about the speech?
How do you propose we reduce the rate of Aboriginal incarceration?
I await the usual abuse and accusations of racism.
Ok, I will play.
What I found insightful was his personal experience, how someone who has succeeded in the eyes of society stating he did not do so because of it but despite of it.
How I propose the reduction of incarceration? Well fully re-fund the Aborigianl legal service for a start. Then implement more diversion orders as opposed to incarceration for mister meaner crimes. Re-fund the indigenous health service with a specific focus on mental health support services and train more indigenous workers in that skill set because they are in high demand.
Mate, your hearts in the right place but none of your suggestions actually get to the core of the problem which is that Indigenous peoples commit more jailable crimes than other communities. Instead you are starting with the premise that crimes will be committed and that there should be services in place to assist afterwards.
For a start DT, how about you give us your response to your questions ?
I am not so sure it is such a great speech, and I know the history of what whites did to blacks, and I know what today’s issues are and the cyclic responses of Governments since 1972. I also know that there are a lot of racists out there.
Most Indigenous in jail are there for economic reasons, they steal to get money for things they need, as there is little hope of getting it other ways. Legal Aid for all is a mess, Benfti and I reckon while you need specialists for Aboriginal legal aid, all the poor need better support. Some goes with mental health services, not only Indigenous aid is lacking.
Sometimes I reckon that Black Leaders should put the history stuff to one side, and accept that racists don’t give a ■■■■ about poisoning waterholes or stealing kids. Maybe highlighting the rich culture with its wonderful roles models, and giving opportunity equal to all is better than me being made guilty because I wave a flag on Australia Day and my forebears were greedy murdering ■■■■■■. You learn from the past but you don’t dwell on it, and giving education, jobs and hope to all, black and white is how you stop segregation and racial hate.
You wanted openess and honesty but it seems people on this forum only want a one way conversation.
I will ask two questions.
What was so insightful about the speech?
How do you propose we reduce the rate of Aboriginal incarceration?
I await the usual abuse and accusations of racism.
Ok, I will play.
What I found insightful was his personal experience, how someone who has succeeded in the eyes of society stating he did not do so because of it but despite of it.
How I propose the reduction of incarceration? Well fully re-fund the Aborigianl legal service for a start. Then implement more diversion orders as opposed to incarceration for mister meaner crimes. Re-fund the indigenous health service with a specific focus on mental health support services and train more indigenous workers in that skill set because they are in high demand.
Mate, your hearts in the right place but none of your suggestions actually get to the core of the problem which is that Indigenous peoples commit more jailable crimes than other communities. Instead you are starting with the premise that crimes will be committed and that there should be services in place to assist afterwards.
how about the easiest solution of all, just chuck more whiteys in jail.
I donno how the ■■■■ you get indig people commit more jailable offences. There are some pretty average human beings in general of all colours and races walking around the streets.
That’s a massive generalisation, and that’s coming from me.
You wanted openess and honesty but it seems people on this forum only want a one way conversation.
I will ask two questions.
What was so insightful about the speech?
How do you propose we reduce the rate of Aboriginal incarceration?
I await the usual abuse and accusations of racism.
Ok, I will play.
What I found insightful was his personal experience, how someone who has succeeded in the eyes of society stating he did not do so because of it but despite of it.
How I propose the reduction of incarceration? Well fully re-fund the Aborigianl legal service for a start. Then implement more diversion orders as opposed to incarceration for mister meaner crimes. Re-fund the indigenous health service with a specific focus on mental health support services and train more indigenous workers in that skill set because they are in high demand.
Mate, your hearts in the right place but none of your suggestions actually get to the core of the problem which is that Indigenous peoples commit more jailable crimes than other communities. Instead you are starting with the premise that crimes will be committed and that there should be services in place to assist afterwards.
how about the easiest solution of all, just chuck more whiteys in jail.
I donno how the ■■■■ you get indig people commit more jailable offences. There are some pretty average human beings in general of all colours and races walking around the streets.
That’s a massive generalisation, and that’s coming from me.
You wanted openess and honesty but it seems people on this forum only want a one way conversation.
I will ask two questions.
What was so insightful about the speech?
How do you propose we reduce the rate of Aboriginal incarceration?
I await the usual abuse and accusations of racism.
Ok, I will play.
What I found insightful was his personal experience, how someone who has succeeded in the eyes of society stating he did not do so because of it but despite of it.
How I propose the reduction of incarceration? Well fully re-fund the Aborigianl legal service for a start. Then implement more diversion orders as opposed to incarceration for mister meaner crimes. Re-fund the indigenous health service with a specific focus on mental health support services and train more indigenous workers in that skill set because they are in high demand.
Mate, your hearts in the right place but none of your suggestions actually get to the core of the problem which is that Indigenous peoples commit more jailable crimes than other communities. Instead you are starting with the premise that crimes will be committed and that there should be services in place to assist afterwards.
how about the easiest solution of all, just chuck more whiteys in jail.
I donno how the ■■■■ you get indig people commit more jailable offences. There are some pretty average human beings in general of all colours and races walking around the streets.
That’s a massive generalisation, and that’s coming from me.
Do you ever wonder why this happens Trip? I encourage you to go out into those lands and live in the conditions they live. No work, no money, no education, no hope. What does one do with themselves in such situations? Check out America, it might answer that question.
You wanted openess and honesty but it seems people on this forum only want a one way conversation.
I will ask two questions.
What was so insightful about the speech?
How do you propose we reduce the rate of Aboriginal incarceration?
I await the usual abuse and accusations of racism.
Ok, I will play.
What I found insightful was his personal experience, how someone who has succeeded in the eyes of society stating he did not do so because of it but despite of it.
How I propose the reduction of incarceration? Well fully re-fund the Aborigianl legal service for a start. Then implement more diversion orders as opposed to incarceration for mister meaner crimes. Re-fund the indigenous health service with a specific focus on mental health support services and train more indigenous workers in that skill set because they are in high demand.
Mate, your hearts in the right place but none of your suggestions actually get to the core of the problem which is that Indigenous peoples commit more jailable crimes than other communities. Instead you are starting with the premise that crimes will be committed and that there should be services in place to assist afterwards.
For a start DT, how about you give us your response to your questions ?
I am not so sure it is such a great speech, and I know the history of what whites did to blacks, and I know what today’s issues are and the cyclic responses of Governments since 1972. I also know that there are a lot of racists out there.
Most Indigenous in jail are there for economic reasons, they steal to get money for things they need, as there is little hope of getting it other ways. Legal Aid for all is a mess, Benfti and I reckon while you need specialists for Aboriginal legal aid, all the poor need better support. Some goes with mental health services, not only Indigenous aid is lacking.
Sometimes I reckon that Black Leaders should put the history stuff to one side, and accept that racists don’t give a ■■■■ about poisoning waterholes or stealing kids. Maybe highlighting the rich culture with its wonderful roles models, and giving opportunity equal to all is better than me being made guilty because I wave a flag on Australia Day and my forebears were greedy murdering ■■■■■■. You learn from the past but you don’t dwell on it, and giving education, jobs and hope to all, black and white is how you stop segregation and racial hate.
Agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph. Plus I think focusing on the positives instead of constantly dwelling on the negatives and past history (which we can do nothing about now) has to impact on the community mind and therefore the incarceration rate.
You wanted openess and honesty but it seems people on this forum only want a one way conversation.
I will ask two questions.
What was so insightful about the speech?
How do you propose we reduce the rate of Aboriginal incarceration?
I await the usual abuse and accusations of racism.
Ok, I will play.
What I found insightful was his personal experience, how someone who has succeeded in the eyes of society stating he did not do so because of it but despite of it.
How I propose the reduction of incarceration? Well fully re-fund the Aborigianl legal service for a start. Then implement more diversion orders as opposed to incarceration for mister meaner crimes. Re-fund the indigenous health service with a specific focus on mental health support services and train more indigenous workers in that skill set because they are in high demand.
Mate, your hearts in the right place but none of your suggestions actually get to the core of the problem which is that Indigenous peoples commit more jailable crimes than other communities. Instead you are starting with the premise that crimes will be committed and that there should be services in place to assist afterwards.
how about the easiest solution of all, just chuck more whiteys in jail.
I donno how the ■■■■ you get indig people commit more jailable offences. There are some pretty average human beings in general of all colours and races walking around the streets.
That’s a massive generalisation, and that’s coming from me.
Do you ever wonder why this happens Trip? I encourage you to go out into those lands and live in the conditions they live. No work, no money, no education, no hope. What does one do with themselves in such situations? Check out America, it might answer that question.
Its still 11 times the incarceration rate of non Indigenous people in Victoria which has barely (if any) remote communities.
Abbott wanted to do something and shut down these communities that provided no work, education or hope. However he was shouted down by the usual suspects who would rather accuse people of racism then actively do anything to help.
Or to put it another way, there has to be a better way to address these very important problems besides deliberately severing the last links to a culture of tens of thousands of years.
Some would call that a form of genocide, and I personally wouldn’t be confident in arguing against that opinion.
Or to put it another way, there has to be a better way to address these very important problems besides deliberately severing the last links to a culture of tens of thousands of years.
Some would call that a form of genocide, and I personally wouldn't be confident in arguing against that opinion.
One might consider introducing education, work and hope a better alternative
Or to put it another way, there has to be a better way to address these very important problems besides deliberately severing the last links to a culture of tens of thousands of years.
Some would call that a form of genocide, and I personally wouldn't be confident in arguing against that opinion.
I'd say the problem here isn't that people are living like they did for tens of thousands of years. Rather, it's that they're living in the remnants of missions, reservations or dumping grounds like Palm Island. These were often explicitly designed to sever links to that culture. They were also often dependent on paternalistic churches and governments, which led to a deterioration in the material culture and continued dependency.
Pretty complex issue. If I may add my two-cents, they are often in and out of prison because they are given several chances (i.e. given bail, time served and CCO’s). It’s not as though judges just automatically chuck them in the lockup. We’ve got Koori Court as well. It’s a shame, but it’s basically poverty and drugs/alcohol. Also perhaps a regional australia (or at least Victorian) problem in general. They tend to make up quite a significant portion of offenders. Again, this is just from me looking at files.
When it comes to youth incarceration, black or white, I reckon the moment disenfranchised kids from horrid home situations come to the courts attention, especially for Ice/ drug offences, there should be some “Educational” facilities, where they live in 5 days a week, until they achieve a certain level of education, (Including cultural studies for indigy kids) and a pass in a “Life skills” component, & dependent on age, maybe a job procuring qual, (eg: Pre App), & maybe, an actual job to go to, before they are allowed to stop attending.
In most cases it comes down to a lack of parental guidance or interest, if there is a functional parent at all, and all they need is some TLC & direction before they stray too far and fall into emulating what they grow up with, & see around them.
The earlier you can take them in & get started the better.
Now those against would likely argue (screech) “The Cost”… “The Expense”, but the money saved from non re offending / jail time, & gained from gainfully employed taxpayers, would smash any economic concerns.
Ashamed to be Australian on this day every frigging year. Just shift it to somewhere in between New Years and xmas. Everyone’s already ■■■■■■ anyways. You can have Australian of the year before the queen comes on to talk about her horrible ■■■■.
