I’m talking about our draft picks
Right. Because which ones did Dodoro miss out on?
Ha, look at Mr Positivity over here
As if we will keep them two years, they’ll be cut by the MSD.
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Ough baby
Given we’ve never had a high FS/NGA pick under the current rules under Dodoro I’m not sure what this is based on.
Richmond, Sydney and Carlton have history bidding on players for strategic reasons. They don’t always slide.
I assume they were hoping to trade players for more picks during trade week. When that didn’t happen they moved trading pick 9 which was the only real option if we wanted to get multiple picks in this years deep and even draft.
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How is Ough pronounced?
Hopefully not “off” because if it is then Jack has to go to Carlton
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Okay…
So we have 6 picks still to come & 2 rookie picks (I could be wrong with this).
The draft begins at pick 28 tonight.
I don’t think we should trade up or trade in with future picks. I think it’ll be more beneficial from a trade point of view to see if someone slides to the 50s and trade in to that group of picks than to try and trade into the 30s or early 40s.
We’ve already got Kako. That helps out a desperate need at small forward for us.
We have picks 37, 39 & 43.
Potential sliders…
Alex Dodson - best ruck in draft & can play forward
Tom Gross - more of a midfielder than forward
Christian Moraes - high half forward (in the Gresham mould?)
Jobe Shanahan - key forward, has played some games as a defender and also some ruck.
Thomas Sims - ruckman who can play as a resting forward ruck
Jack Whitlock - key forward who can also play some ruck (Ben / Max King mould?)
Jasper Alger - more of a forward than a midfielder. Similar to Toby Greene.
Other choices…
Hamish Davis - high half forward?
Angus Clarke - medium defender who can switch forward. Looks slight, will need time.
Lachie Jaques - medium defender. Is slight and will need time.
Jack Ough - big bodies midfielder. Don’t expect speed.
Kayle Gerreyn - ruck who can also play forward
Noah Mraz - key defender. Slight frame & will need time.
Charlie Nicholls - key forward. Slight frame & needs time. Questions over physicality.
Harry O’Farrell - key defender who can also play forward.
Josh Dolan - high half forward (in the Gresham mould?)
Pick 60
I’d consider bidding Malakai Champion and forcing West Coast to take him on their senior list or he sits on ours. He’s a decent small forward and he’d be a good options at this pick for us.
Pick 91 & 97
I suspect we pass on both these picks.
One will be turned into an additional rookie pick.
The other will be so we can get Prior as a SSP.
Rookie Picks - We’ll have 2 picks
We’ll look at what’s left over after tonight’s draft.
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When I was at school his old man pronounced it “Owe” like the word a kid makes when they bang their knee.
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LOL
Or Tim would be a good middle name 
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Wait till Friday. It’ll be all over in less than 10 minutes.
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It’s too far back to remember but what picks did we have before we traded out pick 9?
I just need some evidence to feel confident enough to tell the Facebook ■■■■■■■■ that they are indeed ■■■■■■■■.
My recollection is that, if Kako went after pick 9, and we took pick 9, that we wouldn’t be able to pay for Kako, because our existing picks had no value.
Unless we lost value in next year’s picks.
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The Queensland and NSW academies are churning through a lot of kids to find talent I think though.
But yeah agree and they are changing the rules meaning that they wont be able to keep them all.
Either make the other clubs academies more generous in zones/eligibility or make more players available to all clubs.
Probably the former. I like local kids playing for their local clubs.(as in north west melbourne kids playing for Essendon…just seems right)
Maybe one day they do away with the draft
Noone should winge that kako got taken at what 13?
I just wish he had slipped to 20!
But anyhow we got him 
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If I didn’t know better I’d swear you were describing Nik Cox circa 2020 - 2021
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Going into the trade period our picks were 9 and 31 (28 but it became 31 after free agency compensation).
Without our 3rd and 4th round picks, our next pick would have been something like 80, which isn’t worth any points.
Pick 31 on its own would have been enough to match a bid at 24 or later. Add in the pick 58 we got for Stringer and we could have matched a bid at 18 or later.
Our options for a bid at 13 would have been to match with 31 and 58 (sort of, I can’t be ■■■■■■ figuring out exactly how they would have been affected by the Lombard and Ashcroft bids and matches), and take a ~200 point hit to our first round pick next year. There’s a new points system coming in next year, so I don’t know exactly how big a deal that would be, but if our first round pick was pick 10 next year, it would probably be knocked down to 13 or 14, something like that.
The other option would have been to trade live on the night when a bid came in, to avoid going into debt, which probably looks something like trading our future 3rd round pick for a pick in the 50s. That seems pretty doable, then our draft haul looks something like 11 (originally pick 9), 13 (Kako), plus at least three other players added to the senior list (your choice of picks in the 70+ range or elevating Menzie/El-Hawli/Visentini to the senior list).
Edit: oops, we got 53 for Stringer not 58. Doesn’t have a material effect on the basics though.
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He’s understating it as in addition to that we ALSO got Kako. Melbourne’s pick needs to blow out a lot to make this a bad play (ignoring whether teams would have bid earlier).
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There is definitely deficiencies with players in the 30’s and 40’s, but I’d prefer solid over upside.
I know it’s cherry picking, but to illustrate, would you prefer
Group A: Menzie, Durham and Roberts
Group B: Lual, A Davey and Jones
Ignoring Durham being clearly the best of that lot. At where our club is at I think Group A will be vastly superior.
- we never develop the upside guys, so the upside is redundant
- competitive nature flows through to game day pressure, competition for selection and better training
- players more likely to pick up the gameplan quickly(a key feature of top side)
- a better VFL side at a minimum, as having too many Davey, Lual, Wanganeen types in the VFl has hurt.
- a better second half of the year as you can bring competitive players in
Yes we need more top line talent, but that comes in the first round or traded in. Sometimes A grade players come later but often it’s just luck (Martin for us).
We need to build out a list of 30 players that all compete and all know the gameplan, that will help us way more than finding one diamond in the rough. Well unless we bite the bullet and rebuild chasing the top line talent.
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We have a good chance to have a really good draft here. Rosa’s dealings have been good for us. Remember, two good first round picks next year is gold.
Tonight we could squeeze 3 of Gerreyn, Urquhart, Jacques, Shanahan, Clarke, Day-Wicks between the NGAs (Kako & Nguyen).
Very happy here.