The Cricket Thread (part 8) - from Jan 2024

Agree, but I suspect the rule was also written that way to prevent a fielder from moving the rope. This way it avoids a scenario of fielders deliberately diving and nudging the rope outwards.

I think that at international level the rope should be put back in place. (Having said that, I don’t know how long it had been out of place).

Yup. I guess that this is the first time it’s been noticed and had an impact. If it wasn’t for leaving the rope out there and some grass going brown it wouldn’t have been seen.

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Fat Jonny gets rooted once again.

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So, this is extraordinary.

Both sides bowled out for sub 200 in the first innings. Gloucestershire then put on 5d/610 to set a world record victory target of 593.

Glamorgan are 9/592 with one ball of the game left. Keeper takes off his right glove to throw the stumps down if the batsman misses the ball.

Batsman nicks the final delivery, keeper takes a non gloved screamer to tie the game.

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Good to see some real cricket back on the box
First test starts tomorrow between England and the Windies

England- Crawley, Duckett, Pope, Root, Brook, Stokes, Smith (debut), Woakes, Atkinson (debut), Bashir, Anderson.

Windies- Brathwaite, Louis (debut), McKenzie, Athanaze, Hodge, Holder, de Silva, Motie, Seales, S. Joseph, A. Joseph.

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Lel
Local cricket tragic desperately missing “real cricket” so settles for English sloggers trying to make test cricket go 3 days.

Where’s Jonny gone?

Dropped.

And instead of picking the best keeper in the world, they’ve picked the bloke who fields at 2nd slip in the same county side because Foakes is a by far better gloveman.

They just want blokes who’ll slap it.

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Yep, looking forward to it. Hopefully jimmy has a blinder in his final test

It’s the best of what we have got at this time of year for now.

How dare you treat the illustrious Lanka Premier League with such disdain.

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Or the Championship of Legends…

Has KP been sacked as England Legends skipper yet?

A heap of mates are into the Yank league :rofl:

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I don’t get the Foakes thing. Ace gloveman, averages 29 in tests, 38 First Class. For context, Brad Haddin averaged 33.

Smith averages 42 in First Class, 4 runs more than Foakes. Sure, is younger so presumably has more scope to improve… But it just isn’t that big a delta to justify a drop in keeping performance.

Foakes - one wonders if it is off field. Hard to get along with or something? They seem to take every opportunity not to pick him.

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They’re hell bent on having a counter attacking WK because Bazball, but also because they know they still have a flakey batting lineup and don’t trust Foakes, so they’re going to choose the better batter every time - except on the subcontinent

I don’t subscribe to this, because their bowling attack is unproven and need to take every chance they can get - catches win matches

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We’re not going to see Archer playing tests again, are we?

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It’s too much hard work for him.

I was using it to scout for potential players to play club cricket in Melbourne this season.

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Pondering some numbers.

Disclaimer, this is a bit rubbery with data available, I’m making a few assumptions.

Adam Gilchrist played 96 tests, fielded in 191 innings, 379 catches. Let’s assume for simplicity that all those innings were completed. (There probably wasn’t too many innings defeats Australia had in that era, but there would have been draws etc where 20 wickets weren’t taken).

379 catches from 191 innings is 2 catches per innings, 4 per test. The article below had the best keepers (who played a significant volume of games) dropping 10% of chances. Gilly was 12%, So, in rough numbers, he got 4.5 chances per test, and caught 4 of them. Or, more elegantly, 9 chances every 2 tests and took 8 catches.

There was another band of keepers who were around the 20%-22% range. So, those players, if they were presented the same 9 chances in 2 tests, would catch ~7 of them.

So, let’s say Foakes drops 10% and Smith drops 20%. (I’m making those numbers up). The difference is roughly one catch per 2 tests. A dodgy google search suggests the long term test batting average is 30. Assuming drops are evenly distributed through an innings, on average each drop would cost 15 runs. Worst case, if the dropped catch occurred when the batter is on 0, each drop would be worth 30 runs.

So, on average, the extra drop per 2 tests that a 20% keeper has over a 10% keeper is worth 7.5 runs a test. If Smith was a 30% keeper, it would cost the team 15 runs per test. Not as much as I’d have guessed, however, there is also the impact of team mate morale, and presumably a similar increase in byes. I think there is also an impact whereby the runs scored by the not out batsman are increased too, but too hard basket to work that out.

TLDR, I’d pick the better keeper still.

(This all depends a lot on conditions - quicks have a much lower drop rate than spinners, so sub continental keepers are going to suffer from more drops due to greater volume of spin bowling they have to keep to. Off spin drop rates are more like 30% apparently.)