I really can’t fathom giving Daniher a “rest” right on the cusp of his first ANZAC Day (growing up an Essendon supporter it would mean a hell of a lot).
If we “rested” him that would leave us with who exactly? Carlisle and eerrrrrmmmmmmm?
We don’t even know Bellchambers will play and people are talking about resting 1 of our 2 key forwards (our only genuine key forward) for a make or break season game?
Pure lunacy in my opinion.
I really can't fathom giving Daniher a "rest" right on the cusp of his first ANZAC Day (growing up an Essendon supporter it would mean a hell of a lot).
If we "rested" him that would leave us with who exactly? Carlisle and eerrrrrmmmmmmm?
We don't even know Bellchambers will play and people are talking about resting 1 of our 2 key forwards (our only genuine key forward) for a make or break season game?
Pure lunacy in my opinion.
Obviously he is rested on the premise that TBell comes in to take his place. I don't think anyone has suggested anything different to that.
As for the claim that JD is our only genuine forward is stretching it a bit. He's 19 years old, lightly framed, and has a lot to learn about the game. He's tried hard, but has hardly set the world alight so far. That's fine, he's a kid, and there's enough there to believe that will come. In the meantime we're not losing him a lot by giving him a rest - and, more importantly, it might be just what he needs to freshen him up.
Yeh Daniher needs a rest but bellchambers isn't ready. This week give JD and JC another shot, after that rest JD and have Belly and ryder switching forward. Mind you, I actually think JD is more threatening than JC forward at the moment, which is pretty disturbing.
Obviously he is rested on the premise that TBell comes in to take his place. I don't think anyone has suggested anything different to that.
I really can't fathom giving Daniher a "rest" right on the cusp of his first ANZAC Day (growing up an Essendon supporter it would mean a hell of a lot).
If we "rested" him that would leave us with who exactly? Carlisle and eerrrrrmmmmmmm?
We don't even know Bellchambers will play and people are talking about resting 1 of our 2 key forwards (our only genuine key forward) for a make or break season game?
Pure lunacy in my opinion.
As for the claim that JD is our only genuine forward is stretching it a bit. He's 19 years old, lightly framed, and has a lot to learn about the game. He's tried hard, but has hardly set the world alight so far. That's fine, he's a kid, and there's enough there to believe that will come. In the meantime we're not losing him a lot by giving him a rest - and, more importantly, it might be just what he needs to freshen him up.
Again not right before ANZAC Day you don't rest your ONLY GENUINE key forward. The reason I say ONLY GENUINE key forward is because he is the only tall player in our forward line who is actually meant to be there and is in the position he is meant to play.
Carlisle is not a forwards ■■■■■■■■ at this stage and looks as if he doesn't want to be up there at all.
We need to get as many games into Daniher as quickly as possible and resting him this week would be ridiculous in my opinion.
JD seemed to have more freedom last year to lead. Obviously he is competing with better quality backs now, but other clubs had to contend with Crameri, Bellchambers/Ryder and Hurls (who at least made a contest) - Joe often took the 3rd or 4th best defender.
Up until now, its only been Carlisle up forward who has not yet made an impact or taken any heat off Joe. I don't think he needs a rest, he just needs others to stand up and make a contest and share some of the defensive pressure. Hopefully, with Belly and Ryder in the team and sharing forward duties, Carlisle and JD can get some breathing space by not being the sole focal points.
I reckon T-Bell will be given another run in the VFL and Carlisle will get an opportunity to bounce back after copping a whack about not working hard enough. Still reckon Goddard is a chance, though that’s probably more wishful thinking.
I reckon T-Bell will be given another run in the VFL and Carlisle will get an opportunity to bounce back after copping a whack about not working hard enough. Still reckon Goddard is a chance, though that's probably more wishful thinking.
Think Goddard is the type of player who will do everything to get the nod and get up for a big game so I am backing him.
I'd be farking fuming if I were Jake Carlisle.
Sensational first half of the year in defence, thrown forward and loses his form there, comes back to defence but cant regain form, told hell play forward for the next season, forced to play ruck, plays like ■■■■ and gets dropped (it seems thatll be the case).
Just seems like terrible player management.
I think we are being too harsh on Carlisle, not only are we asking him to play a new role forward but we are also expecting him to ruck so its actually two new roles (5 games in 2014)
I would think even the best of our players would be p@ssed off if they have been asked to play a couple of new roles and given only 5 games to prove them selves. Bring back in TBell. let ryder and Tbell ruck, and give Carlisle time to grow into his forward role.
Also we have a number of players at the moment who can't even do the role they have been asked to do week in week out so I don't think dropping Carlisle is gonna do any good.
Also Jetta and Howlett need to be dropped
I'd be farking fuming if I were Jake Carlisle.
Sensational first half of the year in defence, thrown forward and loses his form there, comes back to defence but cant regain form, told hell play forward for the next season, forced to play ruck, plays like **** and gets dropped (it seems thatll be the case).
Just seems like terrible player management.
I agree
But that's not an excuse. The last two weeks he has appeared - to me at least - to be not working hard enough and to be completely disinterested at various times. I think Bomber and the other coaches are very well aware that he has not enjoyed his time in the ruck and thus I trust them to manage the situation appropriately.
I'd be farking fuming if I were Jake Carlisle.
Sensational first half of the year in defence, thrown forward and loses his form there, comes back to defence but cant regain form, told hell play forward for the next season, forced to play ruck, plays like **** and gets dropped (it seems thatll be the case).
Just seems like terrible player management.I agree
But that's not an excuse. The last two weeks he has appeared - to me at least - to be not working hard enough and to be completely disinterested at various times. I think Bomber and the other coaches are very well aware that he has not enjoyed his time in the ruck and thus I trust them to manage the situation appropriately.
He still needs to give 100 pct like Hurley did under the same circumstances. We all knew Hurely wanted to play back but for 2 years took one for the team and played chf. He gave 100 pct in each game, got injured and had to sit back and watch young Jake take his spot at chb.
Time will tell if Jake can play CHF but he will only ever know if he gives it a real crack. If he doesn't he risks being seen as a whinger..
He still needs to give 100 pct like Hurley did under the same circumstances. We all knew Hurely wanted to play back but for 2 years took one for the team and played chf. He gave 100 pct in each game, got injured and had to sit back and watch young Jake take his spot at chb.I agreeI'd be farking fuming if I were Jake Carlisle.
Sensational first half of the year in defence, thrown forward and loses his form there, comes back to defence but cant regain form, told hell play forward for the next season, forced to play ruck, plays like **** and gets dropped (it seems thatll be the case).
Just seems like terrible player management.
But that's not an excuse. The last two weeks he has appeared - to me at least - to be not working hard enough and to be completely disinterested at various times. I think Bomber and the other coaches are very well aware that he has not enjoyed his time in the ruck and thus I trust them to manage the situation appropriately.
Time will tell if Jake can play CHF but he will only ever know if he gives it a real crack. If he doesn't he risks being seen as a whinger..
Couldn't of said it better myself
He still needs to give 100 pct like Hurley did under the same circumstances. We all knew Hurely wanted to play back but for 2 years took one for the team and played chf. He gave 100 pct in each game, got injured and had to sit back and watch young Jake take his spot at chb.
Time will tell if Jake can play CHF but he will only ever know if he gives it a real crack. If he doesn't he risks being seen as a whinger..
Couldn't of said it better myself
But you could have said it better.
He still needs to give 100 pct like Hurley did under the same circumstances. We all knew Hurely wanted to play back but for 2 years took one for the team and played chf. He gave 100 pct in each game, got injured and had to sit back and watch young Jake take his spot at chb.
Time will tell if Jake can play CHF but he will only ever know if he gives it a real crack. If he doesn't he risks being seen as a whinger..
Couldn't of said it better myself
But you could have said it better.
Daniher & Carlisle need to base there game around Nick reiwoldts. that's where they want to be if they are going to be great key forwards for us. Danihers strength will come, but for now they need to be leading and working over there opponent or at least getting 50/50 contests and bringing the ball to the ground in dangerous positions for us.
Carlisle needs confidence, I believe he has the Body, and athleticism of a key forward, Daniher doesn't yet, that is why its disappointing to see daniher out perform Carlisle up forward so far this year and having to take the number 1 defender.
From my observations, Carlisle is carrying an injury - perhaps not one that restricts him from playing, but he is hindered. Speculation about his 'attitude' is off the mark I reckon.
l wish you posted more often.
Thanks CJ. Been busy is all.
Re Hurley the most important thing he needs is continuity in his game. Because of all his injuries and between being shuffled from forward to defence he actually hasn't had the chance to play a dozen or so games in a row in the same position. If the plan was to play him defence this season then stick to it!
Re Carlisle the guy hasn't even played a 10 games as a permanent key forward. He needs to learn the position as much as Daniher. To me he lacks the self belief that he can be a key forward and is therefore playing within himself. If he can overcome that and he and JD develop and improve together, then we will have an awesome forward combination.
Jakey C, Joey and Hurley have a massive weight on their shoulders to be powerhouses before our best mids retire. 50 + more games, injury free and locking down 1 key position should settle itself.
I’m old enough to remember when players were omitted because of poor form. Now everyone gets a “rest”.
Spin-doctors thrive.
Our *total* cover (ie, all tall guys outside the 22 of any description) for Carlisle, Hooker, Hurley, Joe Dan, and both the rucks is Thurlow, Pears and a stick figure drawing of a full back.I assume you're taking the proverbial.Jerrett at 19, Kersten, Rowe, Talia or Paine at 30. List would look a lot more balanced.
Even if you believe any of those would make a difference — and the only one I'd be happy to consider is Kersten, and he's completely unproven (Talia is decent but more a defender so doesn't "balance" anything) —
Ie, 2 injuries and we're pushing guys way out of position, 3 and we're in Carlton territory, 4 and it's little league time.
You may not recall but way back in round 4 we had to do this - it did not work.
We are unbalanced, I think with the flexibility we have in quite a few of them we can move guys around freely more or less, but we then still then need cover for those guys we've moved - it's not a rabbit out of a hat situation.
( ie Hurley is our ~4th in line tall forward, Talia could come in for him and do better than Pears or Gregory - vice versa with Carlisle)
Are people are happy with that? Am I talking gibberish?
Like it does every year, no matter what we've actually done & how well?can you imagine what this place would have looked like when we overlooked Kav?
GAAAAH SACK DODORO roughly sums it up.
Do you care? We loved Still, we hated passing on Garlett, we hated when we took Carlisle - we know nothing.
NB: Not having a go at Kav at all. I'm reasonably confident he'll be something of a player, I'm just saying what type of player could have been differently that year and a few others.