Leaving Hird aside, because honestly if you want to discuss his coaching throw a virtual (if not hypothetical) brick around here, how do you rate our Assistant Coaches?
Are they unsackable for some reason?
I’ve got no idea if any of them are good or otherwise. I’m not sure how anyone can really evaluate the worth of assistant coaches unless they are working directly with them. I’m not even sure if Hird can coach (due to mitigating factors), and the public has a lot more information at their disposal to assess the performance of a senior coach than they do line coaches.
Then…doesn’t that make Peeto’s statement a bit silly?
It is possible that Hird is a brilliant coach and all his assistants are duds. But hardly plausible, so I’d say Peeto’s statement was reasonable.
I laugh at the argument that we have too many failed senior coaches in the box.
To become a “failed” senior coach you (mostly) have to have proved that you’re a very good assistant coach to get the opportunity to be senior coach in the first place
Leaving Hird aside, because honestly if you want to discuss his coaching throw a virtual (if not hypothetical) brick around here, how do you rate our Assistant Coaches?
Are they unsackable for some reason?
I’ve got no idea if any of them are good or otherwise. I’m not sure how anyone can really evaluate the worth of assistant coaches unless they are working directly with them. I’m not even sure if Hird can coach (due to mitigating factors), and the public has a lot more information at their disposal to assess the performance of a senior coach than they do line coaches.
Then…doesn’t that make Peeto’s statement a bit silly?
It is possible that Hird is a brilliant coach and all his assistants are duds. But hardly plausible, so I’d say Peeto’s statement was reasonable.
That’s not the requirement to judge the statement as unsilly.
If you could hypothetically improve all our assistant coaches, would you?
Or only if you could sack Hird as well?
I'd expect Harvey to stay, given his appointment was so recent.
I wouldn't be surprised if every other assistant coach position was changed, and obviously wouldn't be dropping to my knees shouting, 'Why?' if they did.
Let’s say hypothetically we get smashed by 100+ in the remaining games, Hawthorn wins the flag, and Clarkson announces he wants a fresh challenge. He’s interested in the job. Does he get it?
Yep, despite the fact that I don’t like the plick.
I’d pay for him personally, and Fyfe as well, from my hypothetical lottery win.
And would you free?
PS: You must be loaded!
Why settle for hypothetical Clarkson. If we’re making ■■■■ up I’d have Nietzsche back from the dead where he’s spent the past 100+ years studying football on a higher plane of existence. He could use Essendon’s dynasty of success as an example that helped guide man through the next stage of our existential revolution. Like footballing Bill and Ted
Clarkson or Hird if you could pick?
In the context of what’s actually happened to our club and Hird over the past few years? It it was about winning at all costs, I’d pick Clarkson. If it was about me giving much of a ■■■■ if Essendon wins anything ever again I’d stay with Hird.
Can you give an answer without qualifications? What would you do?
Leaving Hird aside, because honestly if you want to discuss his coaching throw a virtual (if not hypothetical) brick around here, how do you rate our Assistant Coaches?
Are they unsackable for some reason?
I’ve got no idea if any of them are good or otherwise. I’m not sure how anyone can really evaluate the worth of assistant coaches unless they are working directly with them. I’m not even sure if Hird can coach (due to mitigating factors), and the public has a lot more information at their disposal to assess the performance of a senior coach than they do line coaches.
Then…doesn’t that make Peeto’s statement a bit silly?
It is possible that Hird is a brilliant coach and all his assistants are duds. But hardly plausible, so I’d say Peeto’s statement was reasonable.
That’s not the requirement to judge the statement as unsilly.
If you could hypothetically improve all our assistant coaches, would you?
Or only if you could sack Hird as well?
If replacing all of our assistants and keeping Hird is best for the club, then that’s what we should do. If sacking all of our assistants and Hird is best for the club, then that’s what we should do. Maybe everyone should keep their jobs. I don’t know.
Leaving Hird aside, because honestly if you want to discuss his coaching throw a virtual (if not hypothetical) brick around here, how do you rate our Assistant Coaches?
Are they unsackable for some reason?
I’ve got no idea if any of them are good or otherwise. I’m not sure how anyone can really evaluate the worth of assistant coaches unless they are working directly with them. I’m not even sure if Hird can coach (due to mitigating factors), and the public has a lot more information at their disposal to assess the performance of a senior coach than they do line coaches.
Then…doesn’t that make Peeto’s statement a bit silly?
It is possible that Hird is a brilliant coach and all his assistants are duds. But hardly plausible, so I’d say Peeto’s statement was reasonable.
That’s not the requirement to judge the statement as unsilly.
If you could hypothetically improve all our assistant coaches, would you?
Or only if you could sack Hird as well?
If replacing all of our assistants and keeping Hird is best for the club, then that’s what we should do. If sacking all of our assistants and Hird is best for the club, then that’s what we should do. Maybe everyone should keep their jobs. I don’t know.
Leaving Hird aside, because honestly if you want to discuss his coaching throw a virtual (if not hypothetical) brick around here, how do you rate our Assistant Coaches?
Are they unsackable for some reason?
I’ve got no idea if any of them are good or otherwise. I’m not sure how anyone can really evaluate the worth of assistant coaches unless they are working directly with them. I’m not even sure if Hird can coach (due to mitigating factors), and the public has a lot more information at their disposal to assess the performance of a senior coach than they do line coaches.
Then…doesn’t that make Peeto’s statement a bit silly?
It is possible that Hird is a brilliant coach and all his assistants are duds. But hardly plausible, so I’d say Peeto’s statement was reasonable.
That’s not the requirement to judge the statement as unsilly.
If you could hypothetically improve all our assistant coaches, would you?
Or only if you could sack Hird as well?
If replacing all of our assistants and keeping Hird is best for the club, then that’s what we should do. If sacking all of our assistants and Hird is best for the club, then that’s what we should do. Maybe everyone should keep their jobs. I don’t know.
The possibility that you are unwilling to consider is that maybe Hird isn’t that good a coach. I honestly don’t know myself, but it is quite possible.
I'd expect Harvey to stay, given his appointment was so recent.
I wouldn't be surprised if every other assistant coach position was changed, and obviously wouldn't be dropping to my knees shouting, 'Why?' if they did.
If the end result of the thorough review is Harvey and Hird only keep their jobs and everyone else the boot I’ll make this face:
Why?
We already know(?) Bassett’s leaving.
Because Harvey would be the first one I’d be moving on, mostly.
Im not sure Harvey will be at the club next year.
Skippy would be the first to go, hell id even line up to watch him shot from a cannon at the TVS
Leaving Hird aside, because honestly if you want to discuss his coaching throw a virtual (if not hypothetical) brick around here, how do you rate our Assistant Coaches?
Are they unsackable for some reason?
I’ve got no idea if any of them are good or otherwise. I’m not sure how anyone can really evaluate the worth of assistant coaches unless they are working directly with them. I’m not even sure if Hird can coach (due to mitigating factors), and the public has a lot more information at their disposal to assess the performance of a senior coach than they do line coaches.
Then…doesn’t that make Peeto’s statement a bit silly?
It is possible that Hird is a brilliant coach and all his assistants are duds. But hardly plausible, so I’d say Peeto’s statement was reasonable.
And it’s equally possible, (if not likely based on 13 for Hird at least), that all the coaches are fine, or even excellent, and that the angry ant & his cronies would have done no better this year with the players going through what they have.
N. Daniher: “OK. I have finished the review”
P. Little: “Great. What did you find. It was the saga thing wasn’t it. Don’t worry I have it all worked out We’ll win this in court and make WADA look stupid and then we’ll be on our way to the next premiership”
N. Daniher: “Ah…no it’s not the saga”
P. Little: “Then it must be Hird. I knew he was no good. I should have left him in France. No worries I’ll get rid of him…we’ll have to pay him out but the club come first so mark my words…he’s gone”
N.Daniher: "I’m afraid it’s not Hird either…actually he is doing a good job under the circumstances.
P. Little: "Oh…yea…right he is isn’t he. Then it must be his assisistant coaches…by golly I will eradicate the lot of them and give our star coach the best we can get. Money will be no object, we’ll be saving a million just by keeping Hirdy anyway. I’ll poach some from the top teams and we’ll have the best coaching staff in Australia.
N. Daniher: “Well…you know…it’s not the assistant coaches either”
P. Little: "It’s not. Oh…I get it…it’s the ■■■■■■ players isn’t it…pack of lazy no-gooders. I’ll delist half of them and get in a whole new crop of young ones. I’ll get Dodoro to scrounge the country until we find the best 20 young footballers. Imagine the headlins ‘Here come the Baby Bomber’ We’ll be the talk of the town again.
N. Daniher: “Um…it’s actually not the fault of the players Paul”
P. Little: "It’s not…Ok…um…We’ll if it’s not the saga and it’s not Hirdy, not the assistant coaches and not the players…who the ■■■■■■ hell is at fault here?
N. Daniher: “Well actually after a lot of extensive investigating we found that the reason this club has gone down the shoot is because of the incompetance of the administration…starting from you.”
P. Little: “Bullshit. Never heard such crap in my life. We need another review. Get out of my office. And give me that…it’s going straight to the shredder.”
Leaving Hird aside, because honestly if you want to discuss his coaching throw a virtual (if not hypothetical) brick around here, how do you rate our Assistant Coaches?
Are they unsackable for some reason?
I’ve got no idea if any of them are good or otherwise. I’m not sure how anyone can really evaluate the worth of assistant coaches unless they are working directly with them. I’m not even sure if Hird can coach (due to mitigating factors), and the public has a lot more information at their disposal to assess the performance of a senior coach than they do line coaches.
Then…doesn’t that make Peeto’s statement a bit silly?
Ignoring Windy Dill’s statements, Peeto’s statement makes perfect sense. You’re not going to get good new assistants for one year deals with WADA hanging over the list unless they’re so desperate to be assistant coaches that nobody else would have them. To get good assistants they’ll need deals so that if WADA does occur, they have a chance to show their worth with a real list.
However, given there is every chance Hird won’t continue past 2016, you would be in the position of a new coach coming in and being saddled with the assistants or we have to make huge payouts.
Which would be foolish. I wouldn’t put it past this administration, but sacking all the assistants except the head coach would be pretty stupid.
Leaving Hird aside, because honestly if you want to discuss his coaching throw a virtual (if not hypothetical) brick around here, how do you rate our Assistant Coaches?
Are they unsackable for some reason?
I’ve got no idea if any of them are good or otherwise. I’m not sure how anyone can really evaluate the worth of assistant coaches unless they are working directly with them. I’m not even sure if Hird can coach (due to mitigating factors), and the public has a lot more information at their disposal to assess the performance of a senior coach than they do line coaches.
Then…doesn’t that make Peeto’s statement a bit silly?
Ignoring Windy Dill’s statements, Peeto’s statement makes perfect sense. You’re not going to get good new assistants for one year deals with WADA hanging over the list unless they’re so desperate to be assistant coaches that nobody else would have them. To get good assistants they’ll need deals so that if WADA does occur, they have a chance to show their worth with a real list.
However, given there is every chance Hird won’t continue past 2016, you would be in the position of a new coach coming in and being saddled with the assistants or we have to make huge payouts.
Which would be foolish. I wouldn’t put it past this administration, but sacking all the assistants except the head coach would be pretty stupid.
Right, so you disagree with WD.
Hypothetically you wouldn’t improve our assistant coaches unless you could also sack Hird.
Glad it’s not your call.
Was at Norwood training tonight and was told Bass is quitting and going to Port as assistant. Yet to hear anything concrete yet
Rats. That's said, I've no idea how he's gone but based on last year's CV and the fact that Port are pinching him that implies he's done good or is still rated.
Was at Norwood training tonight and was told Bass is quitting and going to Port as assistant. Yet to hear anything concrete yet
Hearing the same thing, which sucks. Neeld is the one I want gone.
I'm curious about this as to why? Do you know something, or just your view from the stands. Personally, I think the VFL team and the development of the youngsters has been pretty decent this year. Guys like Edwards seem to have come on much more than last year. And of course his reputation at Collingwood was outstanding.
Was at Norwood training tonight and was told Bass is quitting and going to Port as assistant. Yet to hear anything concrete yet
Hearing the same thing, which sucks. Neeld is the one I want gone
Yup, would suck. Bass is the only one who’s actually tasted premiership success, albeit at state level.
Actually, Neeld was Midfield Coach at Collingwood when they won in 2010. Was very highly rated for his work and development focus.
Leaving Hird aside, because honestly if you want to discuss his coaching throw a virtual (if not hypothetical) brick around here, how do you rate our Assistant Coaches?
Are they unsackable for some reason?
I’ve got no idea if any of them are good or otherwise. I’m not sure how anyone can really evaluate the worth of assistant coaches unless they are working directly with them. I’m not even sure if Hird can coach (due to mitigating factors), and the public has a lot more information at their disposal to assess the performance of a senior coach than they do line coaches.
Then…doesn’t that make Peeto’s statement a bit silly?
Ignoring Windy Dill’s statements, Peeto’s statement makes perfect sense. You’re not going to get good new assistants for one year deals with WADA hanging over the list unless they’re so desperate to be assistant coaches that nobody else would have them. To get good assistants they’ll need deals so that if WADA does occur, they have a chance to show their worth with a real list.
However, given there is every chance Hird won’t continue past 2016, you would be in the position of a new coach coming in and being saddled with the assistants or we have to make huge payouts.
Which would be foolish. I wouldn’t put it past this administration, but sacking all the assistants except the head coach would be pretty stupid.
Right, so you disagree with WD.
Hypothetically you wouldn't improve our assistant coaches unless you could also sack Hird.
Glad it's not your call.
Ah, Windy Dill is saying that Peeto's comment that removing ALL of the assistant coaches without also replacing the head coach isn't smart. I'm agreeing with that. However, my reasons as above is that it would either lock us into a bad position, set us up to get garbage assistants, or set us up to pay out heaps of money.
It only works if Hird coach’s beyond 2016 or his replacement is happy with the assistants. I wouldn’t give good odds on either occurring.
I’m not saying you don’t replace any of the assistants. I’m sure some of them will be let go, and obviously we already need to replace Bassett. But replacing them all and keeping the head coach is foolish.
