The Tennis thread


#5505

These two people are artists that have used makeup in their performance. As the first one isn’t racist the second one must not be racist by definition. Or…

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#5506


#5507

I will just say one thing. I have been on blitz coming up on 15yrs. One of my lowest points on this forum was seeing a lot of racist dribble being posted during that hyper-contentious India v Oz cricket series where Symonds and Harbhajan got into it. Not many posters truly grasped how that was unacceptable and deeply hurtful. When I read the far more civilized debate above, plus the mature and self-reflective commentary that the posts show, I am very heartened.

Carry on.


#5508

I don’t think it was intended to be racist.

I totally understand the arguments made around caricatures, and that features need to be exaggerated etc. understand that completely.

I’ve only just read this thread and looked at the cartoon for the first time. It didn’t sit well with me despite what I’ve just said above. I think it was a combination of things - firstly the exaggerated stereotypical African features (massive lips, massive nose, weird sticky out ears) and secondly the jumping up and down (like an ape).

I reckon if the cartoon has only one of those things but not the other, then it passes without incident. The combination of both is what has offended people. Did he mean it? I doubt it, but if people are offended by it I totally understand that.


#5509

I don’t see racist connotations in the Serena cartoon.

I also didn’t see racism or sexism in how the umpire handled her in the US open final.

I do think her opponent was better than her and deserved the win.

I don’t care that she has won such a huge amount of titles.

In my opinion she reminds me why our own premier individual awards both best and fairest.

Serena is a grub.


#5510

Actually one more thing - the moralising by the HS is absolutely hilarious. Complaining about censorship and restrictions on free speech etc. Farking what? You just printed that thing in the most popular newspaper in the country, as is your right, but others aren’t allowed to criticise it?

You can print what you want, and others can criticise what you print. That criticism isn’t curtailing free speech, IT IS free speech.


#5511

So Mark Knight, assuming he is aware of this legacy like any sentient, western being over the age of 40 and like any cartoonist worth his salt, still played on it unashamedly knowing full well that it would drive the crazy bus into the ■■■■■ lagoon and earn his masters some attention/$.
Hey Mark, don’t f.ucking do it. How’s that? Zero difference between this and the yellow peril or global financial demon caricatures of the past, there’s a f.ucking reason they don’t get seen anymore, or shouldn’t. Stop tap dancing you relics.


#5512

Well JBomber, way back in 1970, a group of us went to the MCG to see one of our good mates play his first game with the Bombers. His name is Gary Parkes, but his nickname at school was Sambo, due to his skin colour and in summer he just turned darker.

Remember this was 1970, and as we very vocally supported our Mate, calling out for Sambo, the crowd around us were very unhappy and one called in the police. We had no realisation that we were racially vilifying anyone, but we had obviously upset many around us, and we did not understand at all.

We do now.

It is not about us, it is about the effect on others. Some call it politically correctness, but reality is that is part of being a decent, sensitive human being.


#5513

Well said.


#5514

Mark Knight has a lot of form in this area. The problem is that he’s either completely ignorant to his own prejudices and never learns from his mistakes or he plays them up knowing they’ll get a reaction. (I lean towards the latter theory)
He and his newscorp mates then double down on the ludicrous straight white male victim card in response to any criticism.


#5515

I’ve been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but there’s a good chance you’re 100% right


#5516

It’s a joke that she has somehow come out as hard done by over the fact that she was acting like a bad sport both during and after the match

Bringing up the female card in an all female match was just ridiculous.

And the whole “I don’t cheat” but then her coach admitting he was “but everyone does it” just embarrasses her more.

People bringing up the race card over a cartoon simply depicting her poor behavior equally so.

I see zero wrong with Knights cartoon. It’s not racist at all. It’s an accurate satirical representation of how she reacted and the whole situation.


#5517

Think it’s interesting that you make the ape link. Never would have thought of that once, personally. I see jumping up and down like a petulant child (which I think all bar Diggers here agree is the way she was behaving).


#5518

Funnily enough, that comic looks pretty much exactly like her. It’s not racist, it’s an an accurate picture of her


#5519

I am a brown person, married to a not brown person and we have milk-chocolate kids. Ergo, I am automatically a pre-eminent expert on all things racist for all cultures and all people groups (obviously).

I think there are things that are (or at least should be regarded as) unquestionably, empirically and universally racist. I think there are many things that some within, lets called it a ‘targeted’ group, will find to be’racist’, while others in that group will not find the same thing racist… in other words, there are subjective elements to racism (and all other ‘isms’) as well.

Regarding the caricature, I don’t know the artist so I can’t be sure what is at his ‘heart’ regarding the way he draws. I have now seen some of his other works and the way he accentuates/exaggerates characteristics and find them to be not unreasonable. He seems a clever and capable artist.

However, In my own opinion, the Serena image bears too much of a resemblance to age-old stereotypical portrayals of people of African-heritage, beyond merely the obvious accentuations of Serena’s features. As such, I think the image is unnecessarily provocative and can most certainly cause offence (though some in the ‘target’ group might still see it as no more than a caricature and laugh it off). Perhaps it is not intended to be offensive, but based on the other evidence of the quality and capability of this artist, my impression is that he certainly ought to have both known better and done better. For me, this one is a fail.

In the interests of full disclosure, Serena is my least liked tennis player of all time!

Also, I am certifiably non-racist… I hate everyone equally.


#5520

this sums up the whole situation pretty succinctly.


#5521

A mate of mine suggested it should be entered for an Archibald Prize.


#5522

Does he like They Might Be Giants?


#5523

I knew who it was because of the context. The face really bears very little resemblance.


#5524

Well put.