Trade talk - from August 2024

[Houli_Dooley]

Great head of hair too

[Houli_Dooley]

@Paul_Peos

Ben Haynes doing absolutely anything else, was not glorious to watch. Especially trying to win a contested ball.

That old school footy drill where the coach would kick the ball along the ground and two guys had to compete for the footy until one emerged with the hard ball… I wonder who would win more out of 10 between peak Haynes and Alwyn Jnr.

[Houli_Dooli]

We should pickup Blake Carcella, he’s heading back to Melbourne.

Also there’s a kid called Eddie Betts, should grab in the draft.

[Paul_Peos]

I didn’t mean to imply that you’d trade that whole list all in one go. I was speaking a bit more generally, as I’ve seen the idea of trading 2MP even with Bryan leaving mentioned a few times. I’m a little wary of what our ruck situation could look like next year, that’s all.

[handypoint]

Well if we cant get into Bolton(who would be sensational for our front half.)

Im guessing we might be holding those carrots in front of Cam Rayner as he would come over without spending draft capital.

Thats the player we need that electric forward of centre mid/forward. Someone who can actually kick a footy. No idea why Brisbane stuff Rayner in their backline sometimes.

[Alan_Noonan_10]

@Paul_Peos

Ben Haynes swinging onto the left from 50m was glorious to watch. He could kick a footy.

Ben Haynes doing absolutely anything else, was not glorious to watch. Especially trying to win a contested ball.

I saw him actually back away from a contest in the twos one day.

[Drapersmullet]

I can’t think of anything worse than trading 2 firsts for Bolton

[Clone_Hirdy]

Liam Ryan. Bring.

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[Go_Team_2.0]

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[Ants]

@smooth

I find your continued defence of Dodoro and his list management incredibly stupid. None of the players I’ve listed I would consider off-limits in a trade, if the trade benefits the club and addresses the many deficiencies that exist in the current playing list.

But this becomes a completely meaningless statement. Of course anyone should be tradeable if its a good deal. And water is wet. Saying if a good deal came along you’d be willing to trade out players X, Y and Z doesn’t give an opinion, it is just waffle.

It is in the specifics why it matters, which is why I was calling you out on your statements that you don’t rate Cox/Perkins/Reid/Hobbs/Tsatas but you also somehow think we can trade them for players/picks that will solve our problems. The first part is compeletly at odds with the second bit. Unless you think we can solve some of our problems cheaply?

@smooth

Am I saying get rid of all 20+ of those players at once? No. But all of them are either candidates to be delisted, or the guys I’ve listed for trade you could deal on if the price is right.

So again, pretty meaningless. If the price is right I’d trade anyone, its just a nothing statement.

I mean, you list 11 players for retirement/delisting, and then walk it back in the next post. Say who you think should be delisted, and why. If you don’t really think we should delist 11 + trade some out, then don’t list them like you would.

@smooth

Obviously that triggers you because if that did occur it would be an admittance that your man has ■■■■■■ this list build.

Firstly, what triggers me is statements which don’t make any sense. Like thinking trading out players you don’t rate (which presumably means will get low value) will somehow fix issues.

But maybe you should get some basic facts right. Like that I’ve been saying for years whoever is responsible for the plan to keep topping up including if it is Dodoro should be fired. That I’ve said we should do a full rebuild. That I was against topping up, and would have traded players like Shiel and let Laverde go years ago, and would have traded Heppell back in 2019 and delisted him more recently. That I would be focussing on development and sacrifice wins to get a better draft hand and future performance.

Why I defend Dodoro, is that in my opinion in a well run organisation most of those decisions would lie with the CEO and director of football/coach, not the list manager. I’ve assumed that the list manager is implementing a plan put in by the board and highest management. So, if his instructions were to top up, then last year’s moves were fine within that context. I defend him within that context.

That doesn’t mean for a moment I’m happy with the club’s approach to list building, something I’ve called out repeatedly for over a decade.

I also don’t think our drafting has been bad, so defend Dodoro on that front.

@smooth

You can apply whatever mental gymnastics you like, but as it stands this list is not good enough and the first round drafting the last 4 years at best has been mediocre. This is why we need Dodoro 100% out the door, not lurking in the background acting as puppet master. His ego would prevent us from making wholesale changes because it would be a sign that what he’s done is not good enough.

Ha ha ha. I’ve been saying the list isn’t good enough for years. I’ve been saying that it is impossible to win a premiership without a full rebuild.

Just I blame the actual people in charge, and assume that isn’t Dodoro. If he is responsible, I’ve been saying for years then he needs to go. Or whoever was making that call.

[HobbsYourUncle]

We must do everything possible to trade up to get the picks for Richard Tambling

[Ants]

@Paul_Peos

I don’t know about it being ‘incredibly silly’ but I’m not sure we can delist Goldy, and then trade Bryan and 2MP.

It leaves us having to trade in at least two more ruckman, with at least one of them being a ready to play now guy.

Exactly. That is why the post is not really ‘saying’ anything.

Lots of players would be considered for delisting. Lots of players would be traded if the right trade came along. But the reality is, especially for the recent high picks, you’re unlikely to get a pick which will translate into a better likelihood of getting a player than the player we already have. So just listing everyone isn’t particularly useful.

[Go_Team_2.0]

I’d be targeting Scott West, Nick Dal Santo and/or another midfield jet.

[westozziebomber]

Blow the list up please

[The_Ant]

Ryan and Perryman would infinitely improve our team and structure.
Perryman replaces Kelly
Ryan replaces Menzie.

Add Kako.

All of sudden we look completely different.

[smooth]

Yeah I don’t know how much better that makes us. They are the sort of players that if say we finished 5th or 6th and maybe made it to the semi finals and they would elevate us to top 4, yeah you’d get them in. At best they take us from a 9th/10th placed team into 7th or 8th. They are icing on the cake players. Problem is we haven’t even mixed the eggs and butter in with the dry ingredients yet. This list build is being done in an arse about way. It has me worried about what sort of ceiling this group will ultimately have, won’t lead to any tangible success (lucky to even win a final) and by the time the inevitable need to hit the reset button comes Tassie will have all the early picks.

[Houli_Dooli]

Ryan is icing on cake and will go to a finals side.

Perryman will go to the biggest $$$$ but also needs to be a team capable of winning finals in the near term and have a spot in best 22 for him.

[andrewb]

@The_Ant

Ryan and Perryman would infinitely improve our team and structure.
Perryman replaces Kelly
Ryan replaces Menzie.

Add Kako.

All of sudden we look completely different.

Sorry but that’s just not true.

Ryan and Perryman are OK players, but they’re B+ at best but I think more likely B graders.

They’d be replacing a B grader and a C grader.

There’s no infinite improvement there, it’s marginal at best.

B/B+ players don’t move the needle

[Houli_Dooli]

‘HELP!’ Ryan posts hilarious video with ‘kidnapped’ Sheedy

[j_w]

This, this, this.

Perryman, Ryan, Ainsworth … heck, Gresham.

Expensive tickets to nowhere.